Ep. 163: Astral Traveler Institute

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us, and one. Of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't like death. Welcome back to Tenfoil Tals. I'm your host, Brandon Wright, and now we're going to be joined by my guest Kevin and Brett. They are from the Astral Traveler Institute. He reached out to me a while back. 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ATI is an organization specifically institute with two clar missions and visions. Our first mission is one is to teach the mass audience on how to aster project. We do teach a very specific mythology which is free and available on our website. We call it the Way to Projection Blueprint. And this mythology, this system I like to call it, took Bread and I over three months to develop. We found it a little secret in a shortcut which we'll we'll explain and go to more detail later in this episode. And we clearly one hundred percent stand by this system and the mythology, and the course is freely available. So anyone who has to interest or the inkling of to ast project or in another terms, to consciously go out of your body, you can do that more pacifically, you can do that tonight. Literally, you can do it tonight. And we have many hundreds and hundreds of students that had their first astra projection within the first few attempts of practicing this method. So that's the first mission of Astro Travelers Institute. Our second mission is, Okay, now you have the tools to practice the experience to know how to get out of your body. What is next? Sure, there's a handful of starter goals and experiences that we like to teach, like, you know, find a mirror, look at yourself, find something eat, put in your mouth. How's that experience? Hey, look at yourself, as in look at the bed or the couch or the location where you exit your body. What do you see? Because here's the thing to everyone is that everyone reports different experiences different results. And Brett and I we would like to have concrete evidence or a database or a report where we can quantify these experiences and we in the second goal, like I mentioned, is to have people to report back these goals that we have these experiments. So that's where Astro Travels Institut comes into play, and that's where I come into play, as well as in where I always had an inkling to Astro project all throughout my life, even throughout my aut adolescence in my young adult years, I always wanted to AP. I came close one hundred times a thousand times, just like a lot of stories you might have hear, and we hear it all the time I was meditating, I had had vibrations and nothing happen. I get it. I get that frustration. And I practiced ten months every single day without any separation. And it wasn't until I had it illuminating insight where if you're not getting the results you want it, seek something else. And when you start to put an intention out there, when you start to fill it, think it pocket and put the action, you will attract what you need. In this case, I found Brett. That's how Brett and I met. We actually met an official discord for Astra Projection and we just started clicking and I started asking him questions and I when the student and is ready, the teacher appears, and that's where we started to find this mythology, this thing called paralysis and prolysis is the shortcut to astra projection. And after again, after three months of practicing and experimenting, hey, what worked, what didn't work? What we what can we do different? What could we keep the same? That's where we developed this mythology that we freely give away because again we fully one hundred back this mythology and we know for a fact if you put the time, dedication, and the intention into it, you could literally exit your body tonight. And that's just a little bit about me and what I stand for. And go ahead, Brett, my friend, take it away. Yeah, I just wanted to add, like, the reason we put this out there is we really want everybody to be able to try it. That's like our number one goal. We want everybody to be able to attempt to do it, you know, and try to experience this because it is pretty life changing. It's a huge experience personally when it comes to me. I like, just for little background, before I met Kevin and everything, I grew up in a very religious household. So I came from like a strict you know, like Christian view of you know, how you know everything is and uh, you know when it comes to the spirit, realm and things like that. And I didn't one hundred percent believe it is. I was in a like a cult. It was very strict, and outside of that, I wanted to find for myself, you know, like what what answers are out there? Like what can I go and find? And that's when I came across this subject. And it's an interesting subject because when it comes to practicality, the first practical book written on this subject, and I just recently found it, came out in nineteen twenty nine. And before that it was all theosophical works that talked about out of body travel and things like that, but nobody ever gave any kind of practical guide on how to do it until nineteen twenty nine projections Out of the Body I believe it was called Bi Mold Zoom. Very interesting book. But in the last hundred years it hasn't really changed, which is interesting, and like to me, that lends some credence that there is something going on because people are still doing the same things and getting results from it, and so I got into this subject. I was able to have some success on my own and it kind of changed my complete, like my outlook on life. You know, when you experience something that's like that makes this reality seem like the dream, and then it makes me question, okay, then what is you know? What is? Where are we from? What is reality? Then? And that led me to the like I was in. I've been involved in the there's a subreddit aster Projection in their official discord for several years now, and that's where I met Kevin. And yeah, like you said, we hit it off and try to make a website because we wanted to tell We wanted to show people the practicality in it and that you don't need gurus. You don't really need like all these spiritual teachers. You don't need to like fasting or like specific diets or you know, chakra work or energy work. You don't really need those things because you already come with everything that you need to be able to do it. And this is a natural process, something that you can naturally do. We believe that you do it nightly, you're just not aware of it usually. So that's that's a bit about my background. Now before we dive into it, I feel like just to try and explain things a little to the audience. The astral plane mm hmm. What in layman's turn would you how would you describe that to someone of what it actually is? Because when I think of it, I think we're leaving our body, we're leaving our consciences, and we're leaving into a different plane of existence that's not here. It's not our three D world, It's another realm that's out there, right? Is that how you would interpret it? The easiest way, the way I like to interpret it is at least, so there's this you know, we're we're here in the three D. You know it's it's the real time zone we can call it, where time is flowing forward and everything is solid. When you talk about the astronom, when you talk about energies outside of here, especially when in the near physical. So usually when when people go out of body, right, like say you're in a state of paralysis, you wake up in it and you feel the separation, all these weird effects and you see it start feeling like you're floating out of body and you see a representation of your room that's what we usually call the near physical. It looks very similar to here, but it isn't. It's almost like being in a in a shadow, like if the energy of this physical universe cast a shadow outward, the near physical could be experiencing that shadow. Like it looks like, you know, there's buildings from here, but like people aren't here, you know, like some furniture can be moved around, Like we don't really know why those little differences, but at least that's how I liken it. Also, another good analogy is like radio station, right, like right now, we're turned in, we're tuned into er thh FM, right and when you go to sleep, and when you go out of body, you're turning that dial and turning that dial. And it is weird sometimes too, because some of the exit effects almost sounds like you can hear different frequencies and like almost radio static and things like that. And as you're moving you turn that dial and each you know, other station is like a different I wouldn't say a different reality, but it's almost like a gradient of energy and each each one of these slices is slightly different. And as you go farther out right, like you're moving in whatever five D. As you go farther away from the physical, the less that it looks like here, and the more strange it's going to look until it's completely something else. And if you move away from that, the same thing's going to happen as you move away from the energy. It's just everything kind of slowly morphs and changes. Mm hmm. So that's me the easiest way that I would explain it. Yeah, because you got to think, because when you consciously or even like a near death experience, when you go out a body, you are in an energetic vehicle. You call that your astra body, your emotional body, your energetic body, whatever verbage you want to use. It really doesn't matter because it's it's all the same. And because you're viewing your quote unquote reality at the time and energetic body, you're seeing things through your energetic eyes, You're sensing things through your energetic senses, and what you're perceiving, like Brett was mentioning, you're you're perceiving the energetic shadows or the energetic copies of the real world. Hence why we have a description or a name for this, the astro plane. So going back to what you were saying, you know, it is you alternative state of being, a dimension the multi verse in a way. But here's the thing, you know, the astro plane, it's just a small fraction of the different dimensions or levels of existence that you can experience. Brett mentioned it already. It's a frequency like you're on a FM or an AM dial, depending on what frequency, you can experience that frequency. So the question is how many frequencies are there, and in reality, astro plane is just one frequency. We really don't know the extent of how like deep it goes right like we it's almost like being ejected into the ocean randomly. You know, you're in a bathosphere and you're dunked, and you get whatever amount of time to look around and experience it and then bring that experience back and try to make sense of it. Right because here we're so used to physics, you know, like that we use that to explain everything and quantum mechanics and things like that. But out and there, it's like everything runs on consciousness. It's like all thought and emotion creates. So it is very it's very foreign to this existence, and that's some of the difficulties trying to like Okay, figure it out and explain it in a way that makes sense to us in this waking physical life. I have a question that it's I don't expect an answer, is almost like a rhetorical question. Are we all able to create our own universe? Then? If it's if we're asked, like if there's no set I don't know how to bird this without sounding stupid, but basically, if there's no set rules to us once we leave here, like obviously there are different levels, like you said in dementias that we go through. Is everything like say, I'm able to do this, You guys can do this. Am I going to see you guys somewhere else? Or is it all different for every person. That does this? When did you want to go, Kevin? Or do you want me first? I'll just mention this is like it really depends on where you project where you separate at because the astral plane, that's universe. But like Brent Brett mentioned, when you're sleeping, when you're like dreaming for example, or elucid dream for this example, that's a different dimension. And when you're dreaming, we really believe that that's like a pocket dimension or another way to say it, it's a personal dimension, and we can talk about how is it subconscious or is this something that you're creating. So it really comes down to where you're projecting at. So if we want to meet up in the astro, yes we can't do that. But if we want to meet up in my dream, well yes you can do that too, but there's more work involved meeting up in a dream versus the astros. Okay, well there's some. There's some not fairly common, but there have been reports of people going out of body and running into other people that are dreaming and they're kind of like in a I wouldn't say zombie like, but like it's almost trance like m and that's how they describe it. They have the intuition, the sense that okay, this person is dreaming, and like they can't really snap them out of it. So the hard part, like if we wanted to meet up, I mean, the logistics are really tough because it's like, I don't know how to get to your place. You know, I've never seen you in real life, and then you have to line up the times and that's not really going to work because time moves differently there. It moves way faster. It's real weird, but that I mean, it is possible. We can't We're not going to say it's impossible, but we do think you can do it. It's just gonna be tough when, like Kevin was saying, when you're lucid dreaming, like generally lucid dreams when they're described, it's like, oh, I'm I'm having a dream and i'm and then I'm aware I'm dreaming, and at least for me, my consciousness, my awareness collapses into the moment and I go from being an observer to being there physically like I am in this waking life, like it feels the same. But in a lucid dreamscape, usually you're able to affect everything, like that's one of the general terms when it comes to lucid dreams, like you can affect everything, you can change the characters in it. And that's when it's more of a kind of a it's like a dynamic, pliable energy that changes rapidly to what your thought is. Like your thought and energy into it creates the environment. So that is it's like its own I would consider it like adjacent to the astrona, you know, like I still think that you're out of body, and your body is kind of like you know, your mind synapses are firing because it's connect You're connected to your body. You can't separate that, you know, until you die, and this connection enables it to kind of see it can't it has a hard time recording it, like we know with dream memory, it can see it at the time while your you know, energetic body is experiencing that lucid dreamscape. But when it comes to the astral right, so outside of that that is it's pretty you know, solid, it's stable, like you can go to areas that have already reached kind of like a stability. You can't change stuff. So when it comes to like you know, creating a universe for yourself, it's not really like that. When it comes to the astral there it's there, you know, and there's beings there that already know how it works. They observe you. They can deny you information, they can deny you inn experience. They can they can take you and make you experience something like they want to show you information. It's really out of our element, you know. It's it's even though you're there as you are here or like it feels that real. Yes, you do not have the control that like at least as much control as you think you might. And that's one of that's a big feature when it comes to them. Yeah, and that gives credence of being our body, being in the astro or having our body experience is real. What your experience is very objective because there are rules, regulations, or physics that only apply to where you're currently at. Brett just mentioned it. When you're an astro, it's a totally set of physics than it is in real time zone or in real life or embody and comparing that to a dream. Dreams have its own set of physics that are different than from real time zone and the astraplay. So experiencing these different dimensions and they're not the same, just gives credence what you're experiencing is real and it's and it's factual to what you are doing. I'm thinking, like for me just to relate this, when I have dreams, I don't remember them often the ones that do are the ones that usually like there's something weird about them, and I don't know. I've mentioned this recently on a couple other episodes, I think, but one of the last ones that really stuck to me is and this is a several months back, but I was dreaming there was like a tornado or something coming through, very random, and I was over in a different town, and I swear it was like one of those you pull in and get your oil change places, because they had like this little bay that you could go underground into, like where they'd go under change or oil. And I was trying to get my kids to go down there, and for some reason, I got lifted in the air and I got thrown into the wall and my nose started bleeding. I woke up, didn't think of that. I was a weird dream. Later that afternoon, I'm at work. I'm in my office that I was at. My nose started bleeding the same nostril. I don't know how to correlate that, because I actually went and said something to the guy I was working with the like, this kind of freaks me out because I don't get nosebleeds yet I got one in this random dream about a storm, and now six seven hours later, I'm in here my nose is bleeding in the same nostril. I don't know how to correlate anything like that's that's just strange to me. Well, let me ask you something. Have you ever had like gut intuitions in the past, or a quick thought that you should do something or you should not go this direction, or that something made happen and it does you know, like those kind of quick premonitions. Yes, I get dejas vous a lot too. That's along the same lines, right, And I think, So what we think is that like we're all have this part of ourselves, like our subconscious is connected to this astral you know, like outside of space and time, like part of us has a foot outside in this realm, and that is where we get like your higher self is giving you these intuitions, you know, in messages. It's trying to help you. It is you. Like we all have our objective consciousness that's here right, this that resides in my mind, you know, and it's but there's a part of us that is also outside of here, like where we come from, and that higher self has, you know, this partition to consciousness which we're currently using right now, and that's why we don't remember anything. And I've even had experiences where like I'll go out of body and I meet somebody and I'm like, I'll have a gut feeling. It's always feelings, because emotion and thought is what makes up the greater consciousness. That's one of the you know, the defining characteristic of how it works. A gut feeling of knowing this person in front of me that they're a friend of mine, and I would not be able to tell you how I know that. It's like I have the feelings there, but the contextual memory is just I don't have access to it right now, because having if you had contextual memory of everything, why would you bother living? You know, like if you already knew how everything worked. You know, it's like you're like, oh, I don't really need to you know, nothing is that important here. I know where I'm going after and it's like, nothing's a big deal. I don't need to put any effort into anything, you know. It's I think it's that's partly there to protect us, you know, from we focus, Like we just focus on our life, because that's why we chose to come here in the first place, is to focus on this life. And you know, whatever we need to achieve or learn, that's what we're here. And we take that back. But what were what was your this is the problem. I can go off on tangents constantly when it comes to this topic. What was their initial that thought they were having when it came to your dream right right? Like, oh yeah, the correlating and the bloody knows together. Yeah, time has no there's no concept of time out there. It's outside of time. Like if you go on a body, anytime you go to like a populated area, there's no clocks. They don't care. Nobody there cares. They don't care about time, and they don't care about death, which is kind of I mean for me, that's my favorite thing, you know, because it proves to me that we don't have to speed run life. You know, it's not a big deal. You don't have to be so concerned with like finishing everything in this one life. I think we've been here many, many, many times. And you know, if. Time isn't a problem and death and is a problem, then you have all the time to accomplish everything and learn everything you want. It takes some of the pressure off of living, at least for me personally, and that's one of the things that you can learn and experience through astra projection. Yeah, but that bloody knows thing. That's why I asked you if any you know gut intuitions that come out to be true before the fact, Yeah, I would treat that. I put that in the same bucket. Because you know it's This opens up a whole can of worms, stating that dreams are more than just dreams. They're more than just videos playing as we sleep. Currently with today's studies in psychology, there's only one thing that psychological psychologists and sleep scientists have proven. That dreams help us cement memories to help us remember what happened during the day. That's the only thing it proved. The rest beyond that concept, we have no clue how the dreams work and what they actually mean. So if you look at spiritual texts and start to dive into old our religion and spirituality, like the type In and Buddhist, for example, they see dreams as a second life. It gives you the ability to practice, to rehearse, and like Brent mentioned, to tap into your higher self. It's just another form to gain those illuminating insights, to gain that experience that goes beyond the human body. So the mind doesn't know what's real and not real. Until you make it real. So those experiences you experience during dream state or while you're outbodying their dreamscape, whatever again, whatever verbt you want to say, it's all the same thing. You're practicing, experiencing, and even having again premonitions of what could happen in the future. So we're experiencing something in real life that you experienced during your dream state. Is a correlation of what you experienced during dream was real? Was there a leg or a delay from the physical body experiencing Maybe maybe not. We can never be too short. We can only hypothesize and speak about our experiences and what again, what you experience in dream is a real correlation to your physical life and being tapped in, being plugged in, being tuned to these frequencies that we cannot see, doesn't does not mean it's not there, because it's always there and always affecting us, regardless of your religion, creed race belief. It's there and I get and we are spiritual. We are spiritual beings having a human incarnation. If everything's energy, high energy, your energy, we're that rock in the corner's energy, my house's energy. We all can be connected to the same energetic field. And now now I'm now we're talking about quantum physics unified theory. But I'll just shut up here because again Bred and I we can keep talking. But right everything energy, yeah, other tangents endlessly. We can go on with this. An other thing I was going to mention about dreams is like when we're talking about recalling dreams, Like sometimes all have dreams like that where it's it's daily life stuff like if anytime I have, you know, my parents' house, my family in it, like previous jobs, my church that I grew up in. Usually when I have stuff like that, I'm like, Okay, after the fact, I'm like, that was most likely I'm in a dreamscape where I'm processing some you know, memory or thought something to do, and it could be weird, but I mean those characters are in there. I kind of think that it's like, Okay, this is my subconscious doing something. Most of my dreams, though, like eighty percent, are like way weirder than that. I pretty sure like this is I feel like I'm observing most of the time my higher self as they go about their daily business in whatever astral realm, like whatever the heck they're doing, and like, none of it makes sense to me because I have no memory, right, I can't there's no uh. I can't relate to anything right because it's all I have is this daily life that I know right now, So I have no idea what the heck they're doing. But it's like usually what gives it away from me is huge architecture. There's crazy buildings, really high ceilings, tons of people everywhere. I didn't make these people, there's tons of them. And I've gone lucid several times where I have the awareness, you know, collapse into the moment and I'm able to ask them things and then they'd respond to me. And you know, if it was just a lucid dream, I would fect some information is something m hmm. Sometimes they're like, no, we can't, We're not allowed to tell you, you know. And that's one of the things that reinforces it to me. It's like, okay, not every time when I'm dreaming. It's not all in my head, you know. Sometimes I mean, if it's not my subconscious, I'm out observing something else. It's just that you're not. You don't usually remember those I wake up a lot, so I tend to remember them and there was another thing I read that was really interesting and I need to find it again. I might be quoting it wrong, but there was a like a neuroscientist was talking about dreams, and the weird thing about them is that they they're like not recorded at all while the dream is happening. It's only when the dream's over that it it's then entered into the brain or something like that. It's like, as it's happening, there's it's like where's it coming from? You know, It's like they it's not nothing is stored. And I think that's partly why dream recall is so strange in terms of it like degenerating over time, because all you have is like at the very end, you're trying to go backwards and remember it backwards because it didn't take place in your head. And the same thing when it comes to astro projection uses the same kind of memory. So when you wake up from your experience, it's usually a little bit better. It varies, but you still have to sit there and you're like okay, and you need to think, you know, like okay about everything that happened. And for some reason, for me, it's really hard to remember conversations when out a body, I can remember visual as well, conversations like a level of detail that's a lot harder for me. So you have to sit there and treat it just like a dream. You have to go back and think of everything and write it all down as much as possible so you can retain it. I had a question and you'd mentioned there's other beings, other entities out there. Are these entities? Are they from here? Are they from a different plane? And you know what, I'm like, we're from R three D world here on Earth? Where these things from? If we've loaded? Yeah? Loaded? Yeah? It really I like to jokingly say, it depends who you ask. But what bred? And I know it's a mix of everything. Let me well, let's break this down a little bit. So what do you mean by everything? So? Okay, the astral plane, it's a dimension, it's space. There's things in it, and part of those things breata is mentioned. There's architect there's technology, there's consciousness, and part of that consciousness is yes, there are beans that reside in the astral plane. Okay, so there's beans. What kind of beans? Well, there's good beans, there's bad beans. There's beans that never incarnate it into a physical body. There's beans that will try to suck your energy, because again everything's energy, and when you're an astral, you are energy and there's beings out there that feed off of that or like to divulge into that energy. And that's and that brings up another subject of why you need to mind your mind, mind your thoughts, why you're an astral because what you think you're going to project, and what you project you're going to attract. So besides that, there are beings that did live. They were from Earth, they were from other planets, other dimensions, and they do reside on the astral. A good example of this is, you know, we hear like psychic mediums and ghosts and that kind of types of entities. We're where are they talking to? Who are they talking to? These spirits, these ghosts, these psychic mediums, where are they connected to? And we can say they're connected to the astral plane. That is where they're getting their information. So when we go to a like a haunted house, for example, and there is an intelligent and intelligent entity that's responding to our prompts and interacting, we can say they are on the astral plane communicating to us. So I personally experienced people, excuse not people, but a person who actually died, a family member who died here in the real world. I was in the astral and I met up with that person, and that person was telling me things as a conscious entity. Was nothing from my unconscious They mentioned a couple things about what happened in real life. I mentioned a couple of things in what happened in real life, told them I love them, We hugged, and we moved on. So, yes, you can find people that died who passed over into the astral Yeah, and it gives us another topic. How come these they're still there? How come they didn't rise go to a different plane like the inner angelic plane of existence? Why didn't they do incarnate into another physical being? So, yes, there are different types of beings in entities that you can meet up interact and they have modems just like you, but they are intelligence. They all have an intelligent thought form on them. So that's why I can say about it the go ahead. Brett Well, Kevin mentioned thought forms, and I think that's that's a huge topic when it comes to other entities, you know, outside of this physical existence. Another term for it that you may have heard is a tulpa, you know, like that's basically that's another it's just a type of thought form. So basically like we're all psychic, you know, creatures. Basically, we're always thinking about things. We're always pouring thought energy into things. And it's easier if you think about reality, even this physical reality as you know, a part of consciousness. If everything is consciousness, it makes it really a lot more simpler to explain, Like if my current, you know, waking consciousness is a partition of a higher self, this physical universe could be a partition of a greater consciousness, you know, and everything we think about here can manifest things in the astral right, it's all thought, creative energy. We're all creative beings. Yeah, and outside of here, people can make other thought forms, you know, you can create something. It's kind of like writing code, but with thought. You know, as you pour more intention, more flexity into a object or into another, you can make another like a thought formed person. But you have to pour that you have to keep putting that energy into it to make it more like solid, more there, more tangible. Have you know, a personality or any kind of our object you want to make. You know, this is it's all the same. Root. And so. Think about if you think about religion, right, millions of people pouring thought energy into a being, you know, they all exist. We've all been pouring thought energy into these things that we believe. Belief is huge, that we believe exist and millions of people doing this, you know, over hundreds of years, are creating these things. Right, It's almost like chicken and the egg, but we're the egg making the chicken in a sense. And so you have all these heavens, you have all these you have all these deities. You know they're not but in the sense it's like it's we place so much importance on it, right, all of this, but we are made of the same stuff as everything else, as all of them, you know, so we don't need to put everything like above us or below us, like we're kind of on the same playing field. It's all creation. So that's a big part of it. I mean you can have like say you go out of body and you go to Venus, right, there could be nothing there, right, just like in the physical it's just a blasted wasteland. You move some energy over. You can go to a few stations to the left, and all of a sudden, there's beings living there. Are they in the physical probably not, But there's these platforms that are living there. Why who knows, Like someone could have made them forever ago. There's no there's like once you reach a certain complexity, it's there. It has its own existence. It won't like dissipate or degrade. It's just there. So you have all these different platforms doing all their different things, going about all their lives, you know. And Kevin was talking about, like why don't people go to these higher energective realms like some do. But it's also like it's not a speed run too, Like if someone wants to, they're dead and live. A lot of them live in earthlike areas. It looks just like here, maybe a little bit like the architecture is a little bit stranger. I mean, there could be things like I mean, I went to a place that was like it was like a party dimension. It was like Jersey Shore dimension. There was just like bars, there's like spring break twenty four to seven there and then everyone was partying and drinking. There was like a tower that had all these arches in it for the purpose of flying through it. It was like an obstacle course for flying because you're not tethered to the ground. You're like an energetic bean. You can go zoom around. It's fun. So when it comes to entities, there's the gamut. It's hard. Like if people believing in a boogeyman there are brigamen, Like we were talking about negative entities right since I mean, there's no food for sustenance. It's all energy and emotional energy. You know. It's like monsters inc. Where they're like they're trying to scare people in order to get a rise out of them, and they feed off of that, the difference in emotion, that emotional energy off the different frequency vibrsically. Yeah, yeah, they like that gives them some kind of nourishment. We don't know how, but I mean, I've ran into one true one and I've ran into like illusions that weren't real. It was more like the area of reacting to my state of mind at the time. But in the end it wasn't that big of a deal. It's like. You just learned from them. The worst that can happen is that you wake up. And this is a huge thing too, Like people are freaked out. It's like, what if I got on my silver cord is going to get severed and I'll die and then or like a demon will come and possess my body. None of that's going to happen. It's all that's all bs, it's all urban myths. The worst that's going to happen is you wake up period, you get freaked out, you get momentarily scared, you get jolted or whatever. You're like, you can wake up as soon as you think of your body, and this is it's kind of a bummer because like you can be out and exploring and you're having a fun time. The second you think about home, you think about your body and bed, anything related to waking life. It starts the process. You start tunneling and you get pulled back and you wake up. And even if you don't think about it, sometimes it's just you know, times up and you get yanked back. So it's not that dangerous. Even if there's weird things out there, it's not a big deal. But that is a huge question. Sorry to take so long. It's just that whatever can exist almost is if someone's dreamt it up in the past, and there could be things left over that people you know, have made thousands of years ago. They're still running around and have their own you know, existence in life and their own motives and agenda and stuff like that. How much that they can affect this. I don't think it's that much personally, but. Yeah, I just want to this on Brett's points. You know, how we know this is true about thought forms. You know, you think about it, eventually give credence to it and energy and substance, and boom there it is. Think about cryptics like slender Band, for example. I know, like fifty sixty years ago, Slenderman wasn't a thing until more recently, and we have videos pictures of Slanderman and these other cryptics that are more new and modern. Why is this because someone told a story and now everyone's thinking about it. Because everything's energy and consciousness flows with your intention. So if everyone's attention is on slender Man, you start to give substance to this life form. In one day, it becomes real enough where you can start to see it here in the physical Brett and I we mentor and a lot of people, and some of the people that come to us, they're like, hey, I want to create this environment that I can interact with, and and and everyone has a different environment they want to interact with. One that comes to mind is like the like the Skyrim gain, you know, Medievil times and there's people that came to us. I like that time frame so much. I want to concentrate and build my own medieval village, my own medieval world, and I want to go in there and explore and interact with it. So it's a true concept that people will learn astra projection just solely to build a thought form and interact with it. It's crazy, but that's what you're into. More power to you, like a whole Minecraft version one hundred. You mentioned something and you went to crypto routes, So this is this is where I'm going to go with it. A lot of people see a lot of things, and you went slender Man. Slender Man was basically a creepypasta that would create it, and now people are gripwarding seeing it. Same thing with people that talk about seeing rakes. Rakes were basically a burden of the pale crawlers, and again those are creepypastas, but it's basically like an eggregor or as you call it a toulpa. Yeah. Yeah, I've talked about this before, like if you give so much thought and energy to something, of course you're basically if we are in a world where our energies and thoughts are being able to manifest something, we're making these things more visible. So when people see these things out there, are they actually seeing the real things or are they seeing something that's manifested because of the thoughts that everyone else has had into it. Because for me, it's like people are seeing something mm hmm, but it doesn't make any sort of sense as to what they're seeing. So I don't know, It's like, are these things actually here and they're interacting with people? Like where do they go when they disappear? Yeah, that's what I think too, Like when you Randon, when you were talking about at least when I watched that episode and you were talking about the cryptid you songs on the road right this wolf looking thing, And the part that really grabbed me was when you I think you were in the truck and you saw like a larger blurry like form that was moving and that thing came out of it or something like that, right, like it morphed into it as it was moving forward. It didn't look like the finished product. It was like this this thing that was like trying to break through, right at least that it sounded like to me, it almost sounded like something was trying to cross, you know, into the real time zone, right like if everything is consciousness, something was trying to push its way through into the physical. I don't maybe that maybe that's what it was doing. That's like, that's where I jumped to first. And it was so like it had no energy left and was just laying on the ground because it probably took a ton just to do that, because there's like a it's like a barrier. It's difficult to do. I mean, otherwise, you know, you'd have ghosts that would just I'm going to become tangible again, you know. And so I think spirits can kind of get they can get close, and they can affect things. Something breaking through like that maybe as possible. I don't know, I have no idea, but at least when you described it, that was the first thing that came to mind, is like, Okay, this thing somehow came through and it is exhausted. That's why I just collapsed it on the ground and collapsed on the ground because the amount of energy it took to do that was immense. Maybe they go back, you know, maybe they do the same thing and just take off. Who knows what their motives are. So they could be visible in the physical. They could be visible and be slightly outside the physical. That's another option too, because you never went up and touched it, so we don't know if it's completely you know, in the physical. It could be like slightly phased out and it looks like it's there, but it might not be. It's hard to do. It's hard to know for sure any of that without testing, right, But that's where my mind goes anyway. Yeah, kind of give Bret more credence here. How I see like apparitions and spirits and paranormal for example, in order for us to see them like, you know, with their own eyes or kind of experiencing them, they literally need to slow down their vibration to a vibration match of the physical in order for us to interact see whatever. Because when you're an astrol or a cryptic or a spirit, you're vibrating at a very high frequency, which is why it's extremely easy to interact with these entities in the astro and it's extremely hard to interact when we're in physical because I don't because one thing you need to keep in mind. When we're here in the physical, the real time zone, we are very slow vibration and we interact with objects that are also very slow vibration. So in order for us to interact with something higher, one of two things needs to happen. One we need to raise our vibration to match that or two they need to slow their vibration to match us. And that's why fear energy. You know, when you watch Thoose paranormal shows or have your own paranormal experience, that environment gets cold, static electricity, your body gets drained, or you get scared, and you get scared and you get these thoughts and you start to lower your vibration and they feed off that energy, the vibration that you no longer have, and they can start to manipulate and become something more physical. So with this whole idea, with these cryptics, I can see the same thing happening. They're already a high vibration, maybe a foot in a foot out of the physical, and when people see these entities cryptics, they're talking about it they're in a spooky or a different environment that will cultivate an emotional response that will hinder the vibrational to a more lower degree, and it gives that entity, that cryptic a reason to utilize that energy that they're giving off. And that's why they'll be able to see it for split moment, take a quick picture, see capture a video that doesn't look quite right, and when they turn around, it's all gone. Because it's everything's energy and that's all there is to it. And to communicate it takes energy as well. So I definitely agree with like Brett is trying to articulate here. I have another wild theory when it comes to that, if you guys want to hear it, go for I think when I think of UFO's propulsion, I kind of think of the same thing too. Like you'll see, like there's UFOs that all are glowing like crazy, right, and then they blink out, and then they blink in at a different location seemingly like you know, tens hundreds you know, miles away in almost like a few seconds. When I think is happening, like I because I am always thinking about it from like an you know, out of body you know, I have that experience. You know, it's like, okay, maybe maybe it has something to do with this. What if their ship is able to create a field around itself that boosts its you know, frequency up enough so that it goes basically like if this is all consciousness, it goes into the greater consciousness. And then the all they have to do on the ship is use thought to move the entire bubble to another location. Because when you're in the astrol there's free flowing data like everywhere, right If you wanted to know something or learn something or go somewhere, you have to think. You just think about it, you know, and you can open up like a tunnel from where you are to it, or just instantly transport you like, lose site for a second and you teleport there to that area that you wanted to go to. One if they're basically manipulating this, they're making a bubble to where inside of the ship is the physical but outside of it isn't, and they can use thought to move the whole, that whole thing to another location practically instantly, and then they step down the energy again in order to become physical, visible little again and tangible in the physically universe anyway. That's that's my wild theory when it comes to their propulsion. It makes sense, at least it does to me. I you'd mentioned earlier, but like waking up and it brings you back mm hmm, and it made me think of something and you kind of really like it. It's say, like nothing, nothing really harms you, But what if someone were to actually just it's a randomness is where my brain goes with it. But what if someone were to actually die while they're there? Is that a possible? Like is that something that could be a possibility, Like the person themselves physically dies, so it was their energy still there, kind of kind of like someone dies in their sleep. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. If like someone died in actual causes in their sleep, then it would just be you know, as normal. Like we can just go buy accounts of other people that have gotten close like maybe near death experiences or things like that, where they're surrounded all of a sudden by like beings that know them and that are comforting them. It's kind of like they're you know, it's just say you're not doing it alone, which just feels nice at least I hope, not that you're not alone, but some being will take them and show them other things, like at least that's all we have to really go on. Really with the near death experiences, they'll take someone that's you know, basically their body has gone through so much trauma that it cannot hold their consciousness anymore. In a jaccent right, so they could be floating above an operating table. They can be floating above, you know, like a car accident. And sometimes there's like a people have talked about like beings taking them and showing them, you know, like hey, you know, like do you want to stay? You know, do you choose to go back? Like do you want to to pass basically at this moment and go into these other energetic areas or do you want to stay? You know, Like sometimes they're given the choice if they want to you know, stay and be alive and get worked on and hopefully have the chance of like living the rest of their life, or do they want to leave at that moment. But I guess if it just happened in your sleep, I don't think you would be, for the lack of a better term, like stuck. You know, like you didn't realize that you're dead. Certainly that can happen. Even in that book that nineteen there's like this that book from nineteen twenty nine, he's talking like he'll talk about people because he had hundreds of experiences, and he talks about like people that have died like in war, you know, like you're running along and then a bomb blows up, you're dead, and it's so instant that the person is still running in the astral basically like the astral shadow version of that area that looks you could look exactly the same because I've I've projected into my room that looks exactly the same, including the light in everything. So they could just be running along and they be confused as to what the heck just happened. You know, Like there's a lot of people that seem to be in that kind of state of mind in these earthlike areas in the astral that could be dead but not realize that they're dead. Maybe their life is slightly different because they can still do the same things. It's just that they can't. They haven't fully put like the thought the focus into it and questioned it right, And maybe they will, you know, but since their time is not an issue, I mean, nothing's really forever, so eventually they'll figure it out and they'll change their situation. But you know, there can be a bunch of different things that happened when someone dies. But the fact like them being stuck like that, I don't think is a common thing. I don't think it's something to worry about too much. I don't know if that answers your question. Well where I was going with those Is it possible for someone to die like their energy there? I know you can't really kill og, but like if something happens so that them there, what happens here physically to them? No? WHOA yeah? Yeah. One thing I want to say here before continue is you know, astro projection or conscious our body does not kill you. There's nothing wrong with it. It's it's harmless. If anything, it will give you illuminating insight to rejuvenate your belief and actually create new beliefs that you can interact with. Going our body does not kill you. However, you can die while you're out of body. A great example that comes to mind the book Soul Journey. I do forget the author's name, but he was a NASA engineer. He had a gift of astra projecting on a regular basis, and he talks about a story how one of his friends who was also a practitioner of astro projecting, and he actually died while one day out of body. Well, of course we assumed he was our body because it was during his during night, during his practice and whatnot. And like Brett said, you know, the astro plane is where we passed through when we die. You can stay there, you can go elsewhere, you can get our reincarnated, whatever the case might be. But when we die, we go through the astra plane. So when you're our body and your physical body dies, you just can't come back the body. But like Brett mentioned, I'm sure there was entities guiding him, talking to him, letting him know, hey man, you can't go back to your body because it's no longer functioning. But you we're all righty here to begin with, so you have nowhere else to go, So let's continue this process of exiting the mortal coil. So that's what I want to say about it. You know, AP's totally safe, totally fine, it's not. Killed when it comes to your energy self. Though, like Brandon, I think you were asking basically like can it die or be destroyed? And we don't think so, you know, like the we haven't seen any you know, encounters from people or anybody talking about that. Yet. It seems like we're practically, you know, just immortal. I don't know. Some people talk about like a source kind of like a a source of creation basically like a god, you know, a loving source of creation that maybe you can be like absorbed back into and become one with. I have no idea, but at least it doesn't seem like there's a way to be destroyed or anything like that. I don't think that's at least I'm not worried about it. Yeah, stout energies, and I think, like you mentioned, like static in this and for me and this is we factor for a lot of people maybe, but there's a very simulation type of a thing to it. Like it's almost as like you said, a creator. It's almost like everything is by design and we're able to go to these different realities, like these different dimensions, but we're stuck back here, like when we wake up, we come here, so we're able to travel through like the dreamscape, through our minds and everything. The consciousness is able to travel, but physically, our bodies are like programmed to be here. That's where I don't. It's almost like, and this is a rhetorical question, but it's like, what's the point, Like, if we're able to do all this stuff, why are we like drones here like the meat suit that we get stuck to. Yeah, that's the million dollar question. And depending on who you ask, it comes down to their belief and that's their answer. So my belief is why we're here, even though we have this ability, this natural ability to leave our body and experience an energetic world, the world that we originally came from, comes down to one thing. It comes down to learning, comes to experiencing. It's funny because once you start talking to these entities that never had a human body, they're just energy from astro and beyond. They actually talked very highly about the people who made the decision to have a human incarnation. Those people have the luxury that the privilege to experience pain, joy, happiness, hard for family ties, And why we're here experiencing this. We're here to learn and to grow our spiritual DNA. Spiritual DNA as our soul, the essence of who we are as a person you know you mentioned earlier. Does that energy ever die? My belief, what I can tell you is that that energy was never born and it never dies, and that energy will live on beyond my physical body for eons and eons, And the energetic goal is to grow as an energetic presence. So hopefully one day this energy can stop making that decision to come on Earth to learn because it already learned and experienced. It can take that experience and articulate it and teach it and distributed it to other entities that are willing to learn and want to grow. Yeah, That's where I'm going to say about that. I keep on talking, Like. So when it comes to the why we're here, right, Like, I've thought about that a bunch too, and I have a little bit of experiences in the astro that kind of pertained to that. But I think nobody wants to hear this either, Like I think I made the choice to come here and experience this, and anybody that is going to be in a bad place in life, you know that's miserable and their life seems like crap, nobody's going to hear that maybe you made the choice to come here, like this was your decision because they would think, why the heck would I do that? Right? And the reason you think why the heck would I do that is because you have no memory from before this. It's like we can't, Yeah, we can't, Like we can't ask our higher self right now, like maybe we can when we go out of a buddy, I haven't tried again, we can't ask that right now, like okay, why am I? Why are you doing this? You know, like what is the goal? Because it would defeat the purpose. If we knew the whole thing, it would take away that you know, that misery, right, we'd know why. There would be no Uh. You have to go through stuff in order to grow, right, you have to have experiences thrown at you in order to learn something from it. If you've got everything in life right there and nothing, you know, nothing happened to you at all, You never bothered, it was always happy and everything, what the heck did you learn you had? You basically had a vacation from the astrol and you're going back. So and this one example I want to give. So one of my goals was to explore the concept of a soulmate, right, like you hear about it. Okay, I'm like, I wanted to know, you know, is there something behind us? So I went out of body and I had that goal and I used a door. You can think outside the box when it comes to tr I told the door in front of me when I was out of body, I was like, in this white conference room, like this door is going to take me to my soulmate. And I opened it up. Behind it was a tunnel. I have tunnels. I don't know why. It's like that's my travel between large distances is tunnels instead of losing my vision and teleporting. I like tunnels. I go through this tunnel always has a bend because I can't see the source and the destination. It's weird when it comes to perception. I think there's a quantum thing to it. But anyway, this door it exits me into like a kid's room, and I was like, what the heck is going on? There's like a screaming toddler looking at me. And then it runs through the tunnel out of sight and then it comes back older, Like it goes out of view, comes back older, because I think it's easier to change things when it's out of perception. It's kind of like it's easier to manifest something when it's like behind you. Another thing weird with perception. Anyway, as she was growing, she was telling me who she was, the city that she lived, in her name. You know, she's currently alive of doing her own thing, like there's her own, separate life, you know. And what she did later on in that experience was show me some of her past lives. And I was super confused at the time because I'm sitting here look at her, and she's changing into these other people and they were all awful people. They're like depressed junkies, like addicts, stuff like that, and they were just like they seemed miserable. And then she changed back and she was so happy like that she experienced these lives. And at the time, I'm like, really, you're my soulmate, Like I was questioning, like why the heck would you do then? And then after that experience, I was thinking about it, and then I was like, wait a minute. They were They took pride in what they were showing me. It was like an achievement, like if you ever play a video game, there's achievement. Like some people are achievement hunters, right, They wanted to do, and they try the hardest things they because it's like, okay, zero point zero zero zero zero one percent of people have done this. What if some of that is what we're doing, you know, Like we put ourselves through challenges and come through them, you know, and we take something back with us. I personally think that empathy is a big takeaway from life because like saying, you you want to learn a language, right, what's the easiest or quickest way to learn a language? And the shorter, short amount of time is immersion, right, because you're forced to. You have to learn in order to survive in whatever country you move to in order to learn. Right. So we're moving into this very intense existence where we're forced to adapt quickly. And I think through all these struggles we gain the experience of having lived through something difficult. We take that with us, It becomes a part of us. We gain more compassion towards other people, other beings, We gain more empathy. We come back here and part of that is still with us. Right. So maybe in your next life you might meet somebody that's going through what you previously did and you feel compassion towards them, or maybe otherwise you wouldn't as much. I think personally that's a part of it. One of the big takeaways, you know, comes down to compassion and loving other people, because like when I went in that party dimension, the people there I wouldn't call loving. They it felt like, you know, if you took a person a regular person and just removed fear of death and any indibitions at all, you know, there's kind of like a regular people sometimes jerks, you know, like, but that was that area. That's what that was attracting those types of people like you wouldn't probably wouldn't find like a super you know, highly energetic person in that area that's gone through a ton of lives, is very compassionate to everybody. It's like they might be somewhere else. So I think that's part of what we're taking back, if that makes sense. Yeah, is there anything I know you said you could talk for, But is there anything specific you guys want to dive into that we haven't already kind of a touch base on. I can think of something if it's want to blogged me here Brett as well. It kind of goes back to the entities and throughout my experience with projecting in my outbot experience. One thing that a lot of people won't talk about until you start talking about is this concept of your astro double, your energetic copy, your astral copy. So what the heck is that we already talked about thought forms in different entities and deceased loved ones. One thing you'll start to notice is that you will find people in the astral that are your friends, family acquaintances, coworkers. You're an astral, they're there. You talk to them, we'll talk back in One thing Bret and I like to do is just ask questions, and that's how we can learn and start to dissect and what the hell is going on here? So and you start to ask questions to them, and they will respond with very specific questions, excuse me, very specific answers. And when I started to interact with these type of entities, I didn't had no clue who I was talking to. I remember in my early days of projecting, I was talking to a friend. Now it's like, hey, friend, I'm talking to you right now. You're not projecting. You just told me you weren't projecting. What about my friend who's in bed sleeping. He says, you're right, Kevin, your friend is sleeping in bed and I'm here talking with you. I'm his astro copy that he projects into this plane that has its own identity, its own consciousness. But I'm not that person. I'm a copy of it. So it's not like my friend who was sleeping. It's controlling this person. And when he wakes up, they'll like remember it or not remember it. And when you and when I heard that, I was blown away. So a few nights later, I projected again. And I have multiple experiences. In one experience, I saw my parents and they look young. My mom looked like she was young, and my dad looked like she was young. And I specifically asked them, hey, guys, you guys look young. How old are you? My dad said, oh, I'm like, well, I'm twenty eight, without skipping in bait twenty eight. My mom said she was nineteen. I wake up. Later that day, I asked my parents, Hey, when you guys dream, how old? And I said dream because I say, oh, when you project. But and we all just discussed dreaming is a form of projecting. When you dream, how old do you see yourself? My mom was like, yeah, about nineteen. My dad was like yeah, late twenties. I will say twenty eight blown away. Now that I got more experience and more confidence that my friend told me the truth that there was this astra copy, I started to ask my wife personal questions, health questions, relationship questions. And my wife even told me, you know, she supports me in my practice and says, hey, Kevin, as ask my copy this specific question and let me know what they say. I go project, I ask health questions, relationship questions, and when I come back, I told my wife to answers without skipping a beat. My wife is like, yep, that's true. Oh I always thought about that, but I never verbalized it. But you telling me it just confirms what I'm thinking is true and I need to act on it. And now that Brett and I recoach and mentor people, we have people that come to us. I'm like, hey, I saw my friend and it wasn't my friend. It was like an intelligent, intelligent energy of my friend, and you started telling stuff about me about my friend, and it was all true. So these concept of astra double is real. People ask us. Prove proved to me that actual projection's real. Prove it to me. I'm going to write a number next to my bed, and I want you to project into my bedroom and tell me what the number is. One. If everyone's been listening, you don't always project into the real time zone. And that is a bad experiment. What we often tell people what is an excellent or a good experiment? And go seek out your spouse, seek out your child, speak, seek out someone you know and ask them personal questions and come back and get that information verified. And again, you know, I love this concept so much because one reason I project is to get insight, to get knowledge, to use this knowledge in the physical form to alter the results I'm currently getting, seeking obtaining the good I'm currently seeking, and when I can go our body and ask questions, get knowledge about my relationship from the higher self, maybe from the consciousness. We're still debating where that consciousness is coming from. There's a great book called astro Dynamic. They talk about the astral copy as well, and his theory is that you know, when we sleep, when we're our body, we upload or download a copy of who we are, and that copy is segmented from the physical copy, so that copy has its own identity, its own memories, and its own actions. So when they integrate back into the energetic body integrates back to the physical copy, it has no recollation of what happened that night, what conversations it had, and people who want to practice and have their own experiences don't be afraid to approach people that you know in real life in the astral plane, start to ask them questions about yourself, about them, about future events or commonality topics that you typically interact with the person. Because this is one topic hardly anyone talks about, is that you can literally interact with copies of people you know and get real world knowledge. And I just wanted to bring that up, fellas, because it is a fascinating concept and it really changed how I see astral projecting and how I integrate this knowledge back into my life to get different results for the good that I am seeking. And it's just phenomenal. It's just phenomenal. I encourage all you guys to do it. Yea and personally like one thing I wanted to iterate to people that are interested in this is especially when it comes to people trying it out for the first time, or even people that are trying to a bunch and haven't gotten anywhere I was talking to like a student today, So this is something important because it comes up a lot and I wanted to give it get it out there. The majority of the work comes from you mentally. That's going to be like ninety percent of the work. It doesn't matter what kind of technique you use. You know, the techniques and stuff haven't changed much in one hundred years. And even in that first book on the subject, he's talking about what I'm going to stress about right now, and that people always stress is it comes down to your intention, your desire. Yeah, consistency, you know, these things are extremely important when it comes to getting out of body. You need to put in the mental effort to do it, you know, and it doesn't take that much, but it does take consistent mental effort. You have to not have any subconscious roadblocks in your way that keep you from being able to perform it. Right, You can't have if you just have like a subconscious doubt it that it isn't it is even anything, You're never going to experience it because you aren't preventing yourself in the first place, right if you And that's why I mentioned you know, like in the beginning when we talked about like say like, oh, you need to have a you need to do chocolate work, you need to do energy work, you need to do like specific diets and stuff. If you believe in any of that, it becomes a requirement due to the belief in the first place, that is coming from you. Right, So remove those roadblocks from yourself. Me and Kevin, we're just regular guys, you know. Like I didn't do any of this stuff. I came in it cold and I basically did affirmations because I was training my subconscious. Because you're subconscious does the majority of work to do this for me? Right, Because if you're subconscious knows that you're not really putting in much effort, It's not going to put in much effort. It's like working out any kind of skill or muscle. Right. You don't go into the gym expecting results on day one, you know, Like what we teach, what we provide, like the tools we try to interrupt your rem cycle in order to give you a better chance of going out of body and a shorter amount of time. That's the only kind of you know, cheat and work around that we can think of. Right, We're trying to wake you up in that paralysis state. But outside of that, you still have to you know, before you go to bed, you think about actual rejection, You think about what. Your goals are. You drill it into your head that it's this is what you want and you're not going to stop until you experience it. That's the only time it started working for me, doesn't matter what technique you use. Outside of that. I had to get to the point where it's like, okay, you know I was doing these informations, nothing was happening. I'm like, I don't care what I see. I don't even care if I die. I'm going to be doing this. And after that it got the message, you know, because I had that internal knowing that it's happening for me. You know, you have to take away It's kind of like a Genie wish, right. You can't say, oh, it's going to or like someday it'll you know, run a mile with that. So you have to be very consistent in that it's happening now and you want this now, right. You have to keep that intention and desire, and you have to keep doing that because if you take breaks, it starts slipping again. It's just like you know, exercise It's just like a skill. You know. You you don't use it, you lose it kind of thing. And I'm I mean, I'm human. It happens to me too. I'm trying to get back on that wagon as well. I'm putting in the work again, you know, and it feels like, Okay, I have to start a little bit back because it's been a while. I have to brush off the dust, unlike Kevin, who's just a pro at it all every week. Too. But basically, I just wanted to put that out there. It's that like you're subconscious. The mental work is most of the battle, right, because in a lot of things in life, we kind of put obstacles in front of ours in front of ourselves without really knowing it. And this is another one. And it even exacerbates that fact because it's such a huge part of it. Right, So go in with open eyes and open mind. Know that you can't do it because you already are every night anyway. You want to be aware that it's happening. That's the huge thing, right, This is something that you need. If you make it in need, it's gonna happen real, real quick. Right. It's almost like you're manifesting. It's like that you're changing future probability states in your favor. Like your subconscious knows that this is what you want. It'll get out at night when it's driving and you're observing, you know, it'll get out of the driver's seat and let you observe. You know it. It knows this is what you want, so it's going to let you do it, right. That's what my experiences fell like, you know, I went out of Bondie and it's like I'm being observed. In the first few ones, it's like we were talking things being out of phase. I'm like, Okay, something is there and it's watching me. I can feel it. I have eyes on me. If you guys ever felt, you know, feeling of being watched, you probably aren't something invisible. Maybe something was there. I couldn't see it was watching me, you know, and it was just kind of keeping tabs. It knew this is something that I wanted, and it's like, fine, all right, you're doing it now. And then I in one of them, I met my guide. My guide took me to that you know, party to mention. Here you go. You know, you wanted an experience, go for it, have fun and it ditched me there, but I still got you know, like it accomplished my goal. I wanted to go experience something so that transcends that information that that want will transcend into the astral. It'll make all these other parts of you aware that it is something that you want. You said to keep consistent with it. Amen. I was gonna say this will be the selling point, but I think you kind of hit it everything with that one. Where can everyone find more information about all this and what your you teach us at and everything else where they can contact you? Well, our website astral Travelerinstitute dot com, that's where we have all of our information. We have the blueprint Wake to Projection blueprint there. It's close to the top of the page. It's completely free. It has all the tools you need. We also provide a timer that we've developed to you use in the process in the early morning. So it's based on the wake back to bed technique, which is a known technique. It's one of the easiest and most reliable. We've adapted that and we've provided a tool that helps facilitate an easier time having projections in the early morning. And I mean it doesn't disrupt your sleep cycle. But we're not asking people to be up for hours and then go back to bed. You just get up, you go back to bed. You turn this on. You have those intentions as you're falling asleep, and it tries to get you into a state of paralysis so that you can get out. And this is what we were trying to make it easy for everybody. We want to make it practical and that's our mission. You know. It's like one day we want something kind of like mofon where it's like someone can search for experiences and they're able to, you know, bring up a bunch of experiences that people have had on like the database. We want to be able to have like monthly excursions like for members, for people that are serious in it, that want to contribute to pushing the knowledge about this forward. Right, we want to be able to like give a target to a bunch of people and they go and try to get us as many impressions as possible, because it's the only way is for when it comes to science. You know that we're going to progress with this. Yeah, that's our mission, Kevin, you have anything else you would like to add, please? No, you you nowed it, Brad, I just want to say no, everyone's drawn the Astra projection for their own reasons, and we know of the method that will take most people out relatively simple, relatively quickly. It's, in my opinion, it's the easy it. It is a shortcut. So if this topic gravitates to you and resonates to you, don't be afraid to try it, to have your own experiences and don't get discouraged. If nothing's happened, or you tried in the past and nothing happened for months and weeks and years nothing happened, it will happen, and it can happen. Then you have an inherent ability to do it. You just need the proper education to pull it out of you. And we were always available on the discord too. We have a discord link there as well if you want to join that and ask us questions. Also, we'd love your feedback if you go through the blueprint, you have any ideas on it, you have any feedback relating to it. You can also email us at Astra Traveler Institute at gmail dot com. Any links that you guys have please send me in an email and I'll copy all those for the show notes. Sure, well, guys, it has been a pleasure talking with you. Thank yous so much for having us here. I appreciate it. It was tons of fun. Thank you. Yeah, thank you guys, And for anyone out there listening, make sure to check it out. We're going to wrap this one up, so thanks for listening. Thanks to Kevin and Brett for coming on here tonight. Check you on the next one. And that's the show everyone. I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tels, remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tales Podcast at gmail dot com or go to the contact section of tenfoiltal dot com. Just get your message to me. We'll get some schedule for a future episode. And just remember the truth lies, and the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curiously open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this journey, and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and keep exploring the unknown. Good night, everyone, sands on sounds in the headphones. Yeah, it's turn to rock. Got a story about a crypty creature. Let's take a luk eg foot up. Then they're out. 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