Ep. 198: GoblinCon & The Knight House of Hopkinsville

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most, where the eyes were glowing red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it don't like death. Welcome back to Tenafoil Tells. I'm your host Brandon Tonight, we're joined by my guest Eric Simms. Eric, thanks for coming on here and talking with Yeah, thanks for having me. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself. Well, I've been a paranormal investgative researcher for I guess over twenty years now, since I was a teenager, and I started out before the TV shows all started, and I kind of didn't even know what a I didn't even know people got together and went out and like you know, invesigated places, in graveyards and things. I just knew it was something we did around here where I live in the Nashville area. It was kind of thing in high school. You go sneak into a certain location, this historic Civil War location, and people had experiences there. But what kind of threw me into that was my father passed away when I was fourteen, and so I was always interested in the paranormal, and that just kind of thrust me into actually going out and seeking out you know what happens after we die, and trying to prove to myself that, you know, he didn't just cease to exist, that he actually continued on in some form or the other. And I got investigating then and I've been doing it ever since and researching everything I can possibly get my hands on about the paranormalal So, my forte is ghost of course in haunted places, but I kind of am dangerous enough to know a little bit about everything. So about five years ago I started the Unseen Paranormal podcast and started talking to different guests every week from all over the paranormal from TV and from all the different aspects from Bigfoot to you know, the mothman, to ghosts to autumn kind of stuff. And that kind of got me more involved in the paranormal world as a whole and started doing conventions and things like that, and that rolled into writing my first book, A Small Town Haunts and Legs of Tennessee, just hearing all the story and thinking there's so many locations and so much history that people don't ever know about or hear about because they're not from you know, certain areas, like most of us that are into ghost or Bigfoot or whatever, we're familiar with all the legends and the tales that you know where we live for sure, and so that I wanted to put out a book of that. You know, even if you're from Tennessee, you might not know, you know, East Tennessee. If you live in Middle Tennessee, might not know all this stuff in East Tennessee or West Tennessee, you're you know, vice versa. So I kind of rolled into writing the book and I love storytelling and it's a huge tradition in Tennessee, especially in the Appalachian Mountains and East Tennessee, and we get a lot of our We actually get a lot of our English words from there, like cattyewampus and the Boogeyman comes from the wood booger, which is actually a term for Bigfoot and things like that. So those stories have been handed down and they've kind of changed in the pop culture into things like you know and things like that. But uh, yeah, just uh, just fascinated with the paranormal. I actually worked twenty years in the medical field and retired right before COVID. I worked in the emergency medicine, and the podcast allowed me to get out of the emergency medicine and to do. The panormal full time. So now I also own a historic location called the Nighthouse in Hopkinsville, Kentucky that we do lots of history stuff, and then we also rented out for paranormal investigations and we do public goo sounds and things like that. So I am fortunate enough to do the panormal for a living now, and. That's pretty freaking cool, and I think that's the I wouldn't say it's my goal, yeah, but I would love to be able to just do this full time and actually be able to do it full time. In the sense of that's all I have to do. I still have to work a full time job, but yet I do this full time too. So it's yeah, it's one of those things. I'm fortunate enough to have a partner too that has a really good job and he, my husband, has allowed me to kind of start my own businesses. And you know too, so a lot of a lot of props go to hit them for it. I got out the medical field because of PTSD and also my back is messed up in my knees and from lifting people for twenty years and so, and then work in margency medicine with PTSD, so how to do something different. So the only other thing I'm really good at know is the paranormal. So so when it comes to paranormal stuff, I am not an expert on anything. When I say, there's really no experts in any stuff, but my foray into it. I'm more of a cryptied person myself. So that's what fascinates me more like the paranormal stuff. Maybe for me it's just and I don't want to say it doesn't interest me, but it's it doesn't draw me in as much, you know what I mean. Yeah, it doesn't have that sort of I got to go out there and investigate all this stuff. Like even with cryptids, I've never been that way. It's just like, well, that's cool. I'm interested in it, But I've never been one to want to put boots on the ground and jump out in the woods and go look for Bigfoot or something that's has never been any it's interesting. Yeah, I don't. I don't have that desire. I'd love to give investigate locations for you know, ghosts and hauntings, But to me, with the haunting stuff, it's it's a lot about probably eighty percent history, and the twenty percent is actually investigating in contacting, you know, trying to contact those people that live that history. They talk recular to them. So it's a lot about having a huge love for history. And that's that's I mean, that's one of the main that's the main reason we bought the historical location at Hopkinsville, Kentucky, was not even for the hauntings. It was for the the history because it's always been a residence and we wanted to finally open it up after two hundred years to the community because it has this vast history and its interesting history and you know, it just happens to be have paranormal activity. So to help pay the bills and to renovate the place, you know, we rented out for the paranormal stuff. I've never been one to want to go out. I'm not a camper to begin with. And that means that little fin tent is not going to stop Bigfoot from dragging me out and eating me or something, you know. So I say all that, but yet I'm in the middle of doing a documentary or we're getting ready to actually start filming our nighttime investigation that just bought all the equipment to actually go out in the woods, me and my friend. And we're a couple of metal guys, like we are not outdoorsman, We're not anything like that. We're not campers, We're not Yeah, so it's we're going to be completely out of our element. So I have no idea what we're doing. I have no idea what to expect, but I know there's been a lot of weird activity in this area and we're gonna go out there and attempt to do something. There's a lot of paranormal stuff out there too, So I bought a lot of paranormals like a spirit box and some EMF meters and some other things. So it's to try and see what all we can actually potentially catch, if anything or nothing. But yeah, yeah, but the funny, I mean, it sounds like the fun narrative will be that you're you're both kind of out of your element. That'll add you know a little more. I guess entertainment in a way, you know what I'm saying, Trying to see, trying to figure out how to investigate and what you should do and what works and what doesn't. Yeah, I used to watch all the shows and everything else, but for me, I don't I'm not going to go out there and do that. I'm not trying to go out there and be Zach Megan or whatever because that's just not my mentality of things. So I have my own ideas of how things are going to go and how I'm going to approach stuff, and we'll just see if anything happens. But we're mainly going out there because there's been so many reports of dog Man. Yeah, but and there's been a lot of bigfoot stuff. So for me, it's that's why I'm going out there. We'll see if anything happens. But yeah, you'd mentioned Hopkinsville. I'd said this before we started recording. I want to mention that because there is a festival you've got set up for if you want to talk about that real quick. Yeah, I am the event coordinator for Goblin Con, the UFO and Paranormal Expo coming in October October seventeenth and eighteenth. And for anybody who's familiar with the Hopkinsville Goblin incident or the Kelly Greenman incident, happened in nineteen fifty five in a little town called Kelly, which is right outside of Hopkinsville, and the spaceship landed on this farm, this family farm, the Sutton family farm, and they were attacked by these three foot tall little silver like gummetal gray little men. So I don't know where they got the green men from, but they call them. They looked like goblins and with a big, big pointy ears, big heads, with stringy arms and legs, and they attacked this family for like five hours, and there finally was a break in the action and this family was shooting out of their house at these things, and these things are trying to get in, and they kept them at bay and they ended up getting a hold of the sheriff of Christian County, Kentucky, and in the middle of the night and he came out there and the things were gone when he got out there, but he believed them because he's like, you know, here's these poor people who shot up out their own windows, you know, shot up their own doors. They don't have the money to fix this stuff. They have to fix it themselves. You know, this is nineteen fifty five and they're just barely surviving on their family farm. And so then he did kind of this investigation, and other people were out there and the press got a hold of it. Well, they all left and the family tried to get some sleep because they've been up all night fighting these things, and the things attacked again, and then once the sun actually came up, the things left for good. And so this is the This year's the seventieth anniversary of the Hobbinsville Goblin incident, and it's very well known in the UFO community, and you know, happened right after roz Well and kind of brought attention to the eastern side of the United States for the UFO Flying Saucer stuff. And it a few days leading up to the goblin incident. There are actually other people who had seen flying saucer type craft in the area and they were afraid to say anything until the Suttons came forward with the goblins attacking them, and so there were other sightings as well, but it was picked up by a national press and run all over the country newspapers and things. So we're going to celebrate that with Geraldine Sutton, who is the granddaughter her grandmother's the one that owned the farm, and her dad was on like eighteen it happened, and he was there and her aunts and uncles were like little kids, but she didn't hear the story until she was eight years old from her dad because their family just didn't talk about it and they were afraid that the goblins would come back. And they actually two weeks after the incident they sold the farm and her grandma moved into Hopkins with an apartment and so, but Geraldine's written three books so far on it from her family's perspective, and she's interviewed her family members who were there when it happened, and she goes around the country talking it different expos and conventions about the homs Garment incident. And so with it being her hometown, it kind of the Kelly the little town of Kelly used to do the Little Green Men Days every year and then COVID kind of stopped it and they didn't pick it back up, and so Visit Hawkinsville, which is the tourist bureau for the city of Hopkinsville, decided to do a big, a big seventy seventyth anniversary expo for it. So I got hired as the event coordinator. And so we got a two days of speakers and workshops and all kind of cool stuff going on, and we'll have over eighty vendors. M hmm. Yeah, I'm all my stuff done on your end, so I'm supposed to be a vendor there too, So yeah, you'll be You'll be one of our only podcasts. So that's pretty cool. Yeah, we kind of we want to kind of spread it out because I've been to conventions and stuff that that were all like paranormal teams or you know, there are a bunch of paranormal teams, a bunch of podcasts, and and you know, to draw the general public in, you kind of want a variety of different things. So we're kind of limiting you know, how many paranormal teams, how many podcasts things like that, because we want vendors there that are selling stuff, you know, paranormal theme stuff. And we got some really cool vendors. I mean, there's there's one called Monster Mashups. He's from Nashville and he goes and buy it's like this boring artwork from like the Goodwill and stuff, you know, but he paints like cryptids and ghosts and stuff in these paintings and it looks like they belong because he's a really good artist, and then he resells them and so things like that. We got somebody who crochets cryptids on foot and Mothman and things like that. So just trying to get something for everybody. We're actually gonna have an arcade room that is free for everybody, can play arcade games, all different arcade games, and like I said, we'll have workshops too, So we're gonna have like ghost hunting one on one, Crypto hunting one o one and things like that, so people can actually come and learn as well, but also give them the opportunity to ask questions and from people who have been doing this for years, and make it more interactive. Instead of just having a bunch of speakers talking at people and try to make it a fun two days where it's a lot of hands on stuff and and people feel like they're getting, you know, value for their money, and it's not just a bunch of you know, a bunch of insider paranormal people. We want the general public to come and have fun. And we decided to call it Ufoone Paranormal Expo because we wanted to kind of run the entire gamut of the paranormal. So it's not just UFO people. We have crypto people that are gonna be there talking about big Foot moll. Then we have ghost people, you know, paranormal in from the hauntings side of things. We got Pat Fitch who's gonna be a speaker who he's basically the expert on the bell which legend. So trying to have something a little bit of the paranormal for everybody, because like you were talking about, like you know, I'm I'm major into hauntings and ghosts, so that kind of draws my attention and for you, you know, the DECRYPTI stuff draws your attention, right, So I think that's how the general public is as well, you know, you'll have somebody who's huge at a big foot but they don't care anything about ghost. So yeah, we're about to have you. And I appreciate you seeing your application and stuff in. It's gonna be a good time. I interviewed Geraldine last summer and she actually reached out to me about it and told me to get contact with you. So that's how we kind of got hooked up sometime last fall about it. But that story, the the Sutton family incident has always been one of those things that I've always been interested in, like the Kentucky Goblin story and everything else. And I know, hell, you're kind of repopulated the whole Goblin theme with Summerset and everything else, but right for me, I always remember the whole insects. I'm pretty sure this was also like one of the Project Blue Books things where they actually came out and investigated the area. Yeah. The funny thing about that is that, yeah, the because Hopkinsville butts right up to Fort Campbell, a big giant army base where one hundred first Airborne and all that is of station. And I mean Fort Campbell's like ten minutes from from Hopkinsville and actually the main street that runs through Hopkinsville was Fort Campble Boulevard. But so the Army actually came and investigated. But unlike a lot of the other stuff a Project blue Book where they put out these explanations of you know, doctor Heineck put out explanations of like swamp gases and things like that, the Army never put out an explanation for anything. They never they never said a word about it. So they never they never came out in the press and debunked it or said it didn't happen. They just never said anything about it. But they did come out and investigate. It's strange to me that they investigated it for something that was completely rolled off eventually as just people seen owls or whatever that yeah, whatever the thing was that they got all drunk and they were shooting owls and everything. I was like, well, that's pretty pretty convenient story. I guess that they don't know the difference between owls and what they were describing. But yeah, and also there was a there was a reporter who pulled who separated three of them, Jeraldine's grandma, her dad, Lucky, and the friend that was there visiting and had a sketch artist do sketches that each of them described the goblins. And the crazy thing is you can look it up online on Google just you can find the images the sketches, but they are all looking very, very similar. There's only subtle differences in the sketches that they have the sketch artists do. And so that's hard, you know, that's hard to do if you're lying, you know, especially if you're describing something to a sketch artist. How do you get your stories straight? You know what I'm saying between three people where they just got almost exactly the same thing, right, That's that's pretty odd. And he said, I mean, these are country people who hunt for their food. I mean, this is nineteen fifty five on a farm in rural Kentucky. They're going out hunting. They know what's in the woods, they know owls look like, you know, and they know everything in the woods. They know what everything sounds like and all that stuff, you know. And so. Yeah, I just kind of gave the cliff notes. But the story's a whole lot more involved. I Mean, there was a there was a spot where the air of the craft landed on the farm where nothing would grow not even grass for many many years. Where it left marks. So there is and I don't know that where this is at, but there's supposedly a spot somewhere and it wasn't I've heard this before and again I'm just trying to remember and I don't know, but there was another spot where they supposedly had an incident before and the ground is the same thing. There's a spot in the ground where nothing would grow afterwards. Yeah, and I think they've even like they checked it with like a geigameter or something and it come back at one point saying there's like traces of radiation. Yeah. And I feel like this was up around Washington State. And I can't think of the exactly. Oh, I know, I know what you're talking about. Are you trying Is it the acorn, the one that was shaped like an acorn? Well, I don't know if it was that one. This was just some markings that they found out it was around like this was like a there was a sighting or whatever. They found the strange like marking out somewhere. And again, it could be a complete bullshit story. I have no idea. I just this is just something I was I've seen I've seen the photos or whatever, but it's from the internet. Who never really knows. I've been out there to see it myself, so take of that was a grain of salt. But yeah, there's been some other reports, I think like the Renaissan forest over in England where those craft landed. Uh they afterwards there was still residual radiation and I forget what they called it. This is up in New England area, but there was an acorn craft that crashed at the military supposedly recovered, but it was shaped like an acorn and where it crashed they had for years that you can measure the the radiation with the Gager count. Mm hmm. That is h one of the It's not like the UFO and alien stuff too, like I'm interested in all of it. But yeah, yeah, the UFO aspect of things, I feel like if I had a chance to actually go out and look for stuff, like obviously you look up in the sky CUFO, but like the areas where people see these UFOs, I would like to go and see. If someone said they saw something towards the ground, I would be the person actually want to go investigate that area of the ground and check to see if there's any sorts of trace evidence of anything actually being around. There, right right, But that's just me. Yeah, I don't know. After talking to so many people on the podcast and and doing this for so many years, it seems like it's all connected somehow, not that we'll ever figure it out, but between hauntings and and Bigfoot and you know, all the cryptids and UFOs, somehow it's all whether it's you know, different dimensions or or what, but somehow it's all connected. Times when you get a lot of UFO UAP sightings, there's a lot of activity with Bigfoot and Dogmen, and they're in the same area because that's where you know, that's where we get these different triangles from the Bridgewater Triangle and the Alaskan Triangle and things like that. So that's I think that's interesting. I mean, you you've even got some crypti people out there that think that, you know, dog Man and Bigfoot come from UFOs, right, So yeah, it's it's it all seems connected. In some way. That is why beyond us, just out of our reach. That is why I'm calling my documentary the Mississinewa Triangle because literally there's been plenty of UFO paranormal ENCRYPTID sidings in this small area around the miss Cinewa River and reservoir. So when you I mapped this out around my area, I was like, I've started plotting points on a board. You can see from where this happened, if this happened, and like you actually start drawing lines, which again, the triangle thing is kind of a trendy thing, but it works and it does map out to be it is there. But if you can, you can expand at the triangle, like just around this area, but there's more things around here too. It's not just in that vicinity, but there are so many incidents and reports all within this little triangular area that I made. Yeah, so it's it's interesting. Yeah. Another thing I find interesting is a lot of those areas as well. If you go back and look at the Native Americans that were settled in those areas, those areas send to be sacred like or you have mounds or something, you know, some kind of sacred thing for the Native Americans in those same areas, And. In two weeks were actually taking one of the actual original well he's a part of the tribe, he's not one of the original ones from yours, yet this area are back in eighteen twelve, they the Army came in and made all of the Miami Indian Nation move now on the Trail of Tears, and if they didn't leave, they were basically executed. So this whole area has a lot of bad juju just from that. Yeah, and there's all sorts of different tribes around here. There is a Delaware, the Miami, the Podolotomy, There's all sorts of ones and they're all right around this small little area where the couple of rivers connected. So there's just a lot of weird activity around here. Yeah. Hawkinsville is similar with that because you have Limb between the Lakes, which is not very far from Hawkinsville, which is a hotbed of bigfoot in dog men, especially dog man activity, and right through in the middle of Hawkinsville is a National Park for the Trail of Tears and there's actually i think the three or four chiefs buried on that property and you can go to have a museum and you can go and walk the trail and stuff. But the Trail of Tears were right through there, and so it kind of checks all those boxes too. In that area of Kentucky and like you were talking about earlier, Hell, you're kind of you know, mad. The goblins in eastern Kentucky kind of famous, you know, and all this weird high strain that's there, but Western Kentucky's just as strange. Yeah, there's I interviewed someone one of my first podcast interviews, and he was down I believe in southern Indiana. But he was talking about being on a walk and they were by this thing. He was by a cemetery and they were walking and they've seen something and he kept calling a gollum that looked like gollum, and I was thinking about it. I was like, what you're describing sounds like a Kentucky goblin because he's like a little short and humanoid thing crawling around. It almost sounds either like a pale crawler or impossible. Kentucky got sighting like this was like three years ago at this point, But to me, it's there's a lot of similarities to some of these things. So I've often wondered, like if people report seeing and I know, the rake's a creepy pasta thing, but I get people saying they've seen a rake. I was like, well, maybe the rake was influenced from the pale Crawler because you had stories about a dover demon which kind of was similar looking, and then you had the original Native American depictions of Windo Goes or a pale humanoid type thing. They didn't have the horns and everything, like we mastardized it for modern purposes, right, But when you start to look into things like this, like maybe when people are saying they've seen these weird small human like goblin looking creatures and these crawlers, like maybe they're all seeing something very similar that what the Native Americans were talking about hundreds of years ago. Well, I know, I know a couple of guys who grew up on the reservation out in Montana, I believe, and I had them on the show and their brothers, and they talk about the medicine and medicine, and their tribe is magic, but they still talk about little people. And they've told they told me several stories about their dad uh seeing people that were doing kind of bad magic, bad medicine that would conjured these were not necessarily conjured, but bring these little people up and they would give them offerings and things. And there was one time that they went out with I think it was one of their friend's sisters and they were out on the reservation and they had her. She had them stop next to the field and she went out in the field and they saw her interacting with this little little creature and she was like giving them cigarettes and stuff like you're offering. And so the Native tribes still talk about some of them still are seeing those things and still talking about them. So I found that pretty fascinating. I think it's Montana's where they live, but they have a podcast that they do that they they talk about a lot of that stuff. But it's pretty interesting because they're full blooded, you know, they were raising the reservation and so to talk about all this stuff I just find fascinating. I'm Native American, but I was never I've never been raising the reservation or you know, even affiliated with the with the Cherokee. But three of my grandparents out of four were full blooded Cherokee. So I find all that ancestry fascinating. With all those stories and the fact that some of them are still you know, the reservation is still seeing these things and telling these stories. They're not just a folklore to them, you. Know, right. I actually have a couple of interviews lined up here in the next few weeks. I'm priorly after reschedule because I realized that I'm not gonna be able to do the one on the scheduled time. But he's was a This was a Native American from out west, and he's had a lot of run ends with what he said, bigfoot and dog man like creatures. So I'm really interested to hear more about that because I don't get a chance to talk to too many of the actual tribe people from the reservations and stuff. Yeah, so there's a lot of stories that I'd like to hear just because And I don't know if it's just because of how cultural things are, but like, I feel like there's a lot of stories and stuff that doesn't get actually told to a lot of people because a lot of the stuff that happens on the reservations they kind of keep it to themselves. Yeah. I had an awesome guest last year. He's one of the paranormal rangers from the Navajo tribe and he wrote a book. His name is Stanley Mill Virginior, and him and his partner were Navajo rangers and so they were tasked with basically traveling the twenty seven thousand square mile Navajo Reservation, and their boss put them in charge of anything paranormal. So for twenty years they went around and investigated anything paranormal, from from skinwalker's to bigfoot, to hauntings to all of that, because skin walkers are a Navajo thing, and he told the story of my show about he didn't believe in He didn't believe in skinwalkers because he spent half his time with his mother in Oklahoma, off the reservation, and then in the summer he would go stay with his dad and his grandparents on the reservation, and so he was kind of had one foot in the Western world, one foot in the in the tribe and the reservation, and so he didn't necessarily believe in skinwalkers until he saw one himself on the reservation before he became a Naha ranger, and then he had all these other experiences that kind of proved to him that they were a real thing. And he's got some incredible story in his book. His book's amazing, But him and his partner have been on Skinwalker Ranch and. A bunch of those other shows. They were actually on the third season of The New Unsolved Mysteries talking about one of their cases. But those two guys are in credible, uh to, And it's fascinating to listen to the stories. All right, So I think I actually watched that episode from the one of the recent unsolved mysteries. But is there anything in particular that you've experienced that you'd want to talk about tonight. I've experienced so much stuff. I've had a paranormal life, right, So. That's what it's hard for people to pinpoint. I was like, well, whatever comes to mind, like whatever sticks out. Yeah, I had my first My first experience with a ghost was when I was eight. I actually I was. I was a weird kid anyway, because I was the kid that had all the alien posters on the walls. And you know. When the book fair came to school, I was looking for the paranormal books. And but when I was eight, I was asleep and I most you know, most kids like a night light, like the door open. I never did. I like my door shut. I still sleep with the door shut. I just feel more comfortable that way. And uh so I set up about I don't know, it was still dark play through or four in the morning. I sat straight up in the bed and looked at the door and my door was open, wide open, and there was a glowing lady stood in the door. And at eight years old, it scared me. So I jumped up and flip the light on, and of course she was gone. And that was kind of my first like in your face experience that I ever experienced. And then my mom was extremely She pass away in two thousand and nine, but she was extremely She was a crazy impath and me and her had a connection that was insane. I would come home from school excited about something, and she would tell me before I could tell her. And this was things that she It's not like a school called and told her things, you know what I'm saying. These were not anything like that, not anything major that they would have called and told her. But things like that just throughout my life and just some of the experiences that I've had, I mean even going out when I investigated when I was a teenager, and me and my friends would sneak into this the Civil War plantation. We had a. Old video recorder that took VHS tapes, and we had a horset recorder that took little mini cassette tapes and that's all we had, and we'd sneak onto the property and we just experienced some incredible things. One of my first experiences on that property was it was dark in night. There's nobody there. I mean, this is three four o'clock in the morning, five in the morning. It's so dark, and we're walking around the house. And we never bothered anything. We were there to vandalize or and we were trespassing. We shouldn't have been, but we never heard anything. But I saw a woman in the window of the house, Checkstead pulled the curtains back and stuck her head in the window like she was looking to see who was on our front lawn. And there's nobody at the house. Somebody in the house, you know. And then one time we were walking back across the field, this huge field that went or we snunck onto the property was actually a golf course right next to the property. We would park at the clubhouse and we would hop over the cemetery fence onto the property and you had to walk across this big field it's probably, I don't know, a football field in the half long before you get to the house. And they hadn't moted it. And while I was probably about knee deep, and two of my friends are about ten foot behind me, and we're walking back across the field to leave. The sun's starting to come up, and we hear this horse. We hear a horse galloping and the sound of a horse winning to our left, and they're commenting like, are you hearing that, Eric? And I'm like, yeah, how you' all hearing that? Like that's crazy because there's no horses around there and definitely not close enough to hear them, you know, their feet hitting the ground, And all of a sudden, this breeze, cold breeze went through me and out the other side, and on my right side in a straight line. The grass was moving and you heard the horse of gallop and just kind of fed it off, and my friends come running up. It's like, did that just run through you? I was like, I guess, you know, it just I was in its way, I guess. And so it was like this cold static almost like you know when your hair stands on end from static electricity, you know in the wintertime, when your socks on the carpet or whatever. Kind of like that feeling, but like really cold at the same time as a weird experience. And it's the only thing I can say is I had a ghost horse run through me on this you know, part of this battlefield was in Franklin, Tennessee. In the Battle of Franklin, they called the five Bloodiest Hours of the Civil War, so many men died in five hours. But that place in the toryst that haunted. But that was that was a crazy experience there. Working in medicine one of the incredible experiences that I had. I started out working as a nurse tech in nursing homes and the nurse something that I worked at, I worked night shift on the Alzheimer's lockdown unit, so you had to have a code to open the doors and stuff to get it out of there so they couldn't wonder you know, the patients couldn't wonder off because they had memory issues. And that part of the building that I worked in was the oldest part of this nursing home and it had this wing of the building had always been a nursing home. It had about twenty five rooms and when it was built in the nineteen forties, it was built to be a nursing home and then they had just added on a modern building to make it a lot bigger. And one night, my partner who was another nurse tech, and the nurse that was with this LPN. It was just the three of us as far as staff. They went to lunch and I was on the floor by myself and all the patients are in bed, their lights are off. It's kind of like a horror movie. There's only like a couple of fluorescent lights on, you know, down the hallway right. And we did rounds every fifteen minutes just to check on our patients, make sure everybody's in the bed, because we had a lot of fall risk people who if they got out of the bed that they would fall and hurt themselves. And so I was starting to do my round while they were at lunch and I get to the tea in the hallway and I look left and there's a really tall, skinny man, younger guy standing at the end of the hallway and he was kind of back lipped by the double doors at the end had windows in him, and that was the parking lot outside that had lights, and he was backlit. And he was probably I don't know, six foot five, really thin but younger looking guy, and he was in an all black suit, and he looked at me. I looked at him, and he turned to his left and went into patient room, the very last patient room on the left. And I'm like, you know, the should have many visitors. Is like three or four o'clock in the morning, and this always things always happened to me at three or four in the morning. This is a theme throughout my life. And so I walked down there because I'm like, there's not supposed to be anybody here. And I go in there and there's just the patients in the bed, four women. There's two beds on each side of the room, and there's no way there. I come in the next night and one of the patients in that room had died unexpectedly about thirty minutes after I left that morning. And so I've always called that the angel of Death because I don't know how to sub describe it, you know, But it was just it was interesting that same nurse thing home. Whenever you walk into the rooms at night when it was dark, there was a light that stayed on in the bathroom, and the bathroom was directly across from the door, and we would push the wheelchairs and stuff into the bathroom at night so when we're walking around the dark, we're not tripping over them. And several times I'd walk into rooms and it looked like somebody was sitting in the wheelchair. You could see the head and shoulder outline with the night light backlighting them. And then you turn on the light. There was no wing there. Heard footsteps, had footsteps walk behind me several times. That place was just crazy haunted. But you know, been in a nurse home since the forties, and this was early two thousands when I worked there. You know, you're looking at sixty years of a nursing home where people go to die, you know. So we had a lady tool. She was pretty far gone. She was like in state of Alzheimer's, and you couldn't really have a conversation with her. You had to she had to be fed and wear a diaper and all that stuff, and but she would start yelling about the man in the corner. And whenever she yelled about the man in the corner, it was just understood by the people who had worked there longer. Than I did. And I found this out that somebody was gonna die on that wing, and I, like clockwork. Within a couple of days somebody would die and she would come back down, wouldn't talk about the man in the corner again till it happened again, and so crazy things like that, and then own it. Now owning a Honda location, I have stuff happened all the time. I mean the middle of the day of being in the nighthouse in Hopkinsville, and I hear voices and you know, see things out of the corner of my eye all the time, and knocks and all kinds of weird stuff. What made you want to become the owner of a place like though? Just because of all your experiences as you've had. It's just something that you've wanted to do. Yeah, And it was more about the history of looking for a historical location and the thing that kind of that was. I was talking to my buddy Austin one night on the phone and we were talking about we filmed a few short documentaries together and we investigated together. So we were talking about one of the documentaries we were working on, and we happen to get on talking about one day owning our own location and you know, do long term study on it as you can do experiments and things like that, you know, because you're in control of the environment things, and because our approach is kind of as scientific as we can be, and we try to debunk everything we can. So if it's you know, if you can explain it anyway, we just throw it out. It's not evidence. And Facebook has a way of listening to you. So while I'm talking to him on the phone, it pops up on Facebook this it suggests this group that I should joining called his Old Houses one hundred thousand Dollars and Beyond. So I started looking through this, and they have a companion website and all the houses they post are old houses that are for sale that are around one hundred thousand dollars to buy them. And I get going looking through all these old houses, and there's some incredible houses, I mean all across the country that have these incredible histories, and they're just if somebody doesn't buy them and fix them up, the history is gonna be lost and they're gonna be torn down. And so that kind of seeing how cheap they were to begin with. I talk to my husband, who's the financial person for see, he does all of our. Bills and stuff. I got him on board and I said, you know what if we we find a location, especially one that hasn't had its history shared. And you know, if it is haunted, then we can kind of use that income as well, you know, to help fix it up and pay for the place. And uh, definitely not. You know, it's not an idea of a get rich quick or anything like that or you know, try to make money. All the money we make off the Nighthouse goes right back into it. But the Nighthouse is one of the places that we looked at and it for it's the oldest still standing structure. It's the oldest structure still standing in Hopkinsville and in Christian County, Kentucky. The house is built in eighteen fifteen, between eighteen fifteen and eighteen twenty, and for two hundred and ten years it's been a residence. It's never been open to the public. You know, it's the oldest building in town. Uh. And so we found out that a lot of people in town were interested in the house, for one because they'd never been inside it. And it's a massive mansion with these big, giant two story columns, you know, and this beautiful house, and it's fifty six hundred square feet, it's six different levels, and it was called the nighthouse. And one of my criteria that I told Roger said, if the house has a name, if somebody has named it, it probably has an extensive history, or the family who lived there had an extensive history. So before we bought it, I do into the Knight family and learned a lot about them and how they kind of helped shape Hawkinsville in the mid eighteen hundreds into kind of what it is today the size of town, and helped it be successful and things like that. And they were very interesting people too, and they lived there for eighty five years, their family did, and so you know, eighty five of two hundred years. And then the next family that bought it, the Rogers family, bought it in nineteen forties and they lived there for sixty five years until the whom fourteen. So you have two families who have taken up the majority history of this house. And the other thing that found very interesting was that every pretty much ninety percent of the males that lived in this house throughout its history have all been lawyers. So every family has had a lawyer in it. The Knights, they were all lawyers, all the sons and the dad was lawyers. JB. Knight was a lawyer, but they were real estate moguls. The Rogers family. The dad and the son were both lawyers. The dad that bought it, w Rogers Junior, he was an attorney and then his son ended up becoming the Attorney General for Kentucky. So it's interesting how that that whole theme played out through all the different families that owned it. You know, all the all the men that were heads of the household were all lawyers, and so it just has this extensive and interesting history. And so the history is what caught me. Uh it's it's haunted to boot basically, you know what I'm saying that the haunting is a bonus, right because I think it's very special to be able to connect to those people that I'm learning about in the history of the house and to possibly be connecting with them and to have them answer questions for me through EVPs and things, instead of it just coming from a newspaper article or a second hand tel or something like that. So it was it was more of the history of the place and also saving the house because somebody it sits on three acres, somebody could in the middle of town, a contractor could have very easily bought the house, torn it down and built three houses on the three acred lot, and you know, made their money and went on about their business. And then you lose one of the oldest houses in Kentucky still standing and the oldest house, you know, the oldest structure in Christian County still standing, and you lose all that history. Also, the Knight family, their story's not really been told to the general public in Hopkins, but people are interested in it, and so I think it just become my duty to tell their story and to get their story out there and honor them and their legacy. Now what do you do? What's the building now? Do you have it open for people to want to come in and do investigations? So yeah, we do. We do history tours Friday, Saturdays and Sundays, and then it is open for investigations to be rented out. And we have different tiers of investigations. We have one that's seven to midnight that's one hundred and fifty bucks, and then we have seven pm to three am, so a half night that is two hundred fifty dollars, and then four hundred dollars. You can come and stay the entire night from eight pm to eight am and actually sleep in the beds and they investigate all night if you want. There's a place around here that I cannot mention on air, but it's kind of similar, just because they don't want the information to be out to the public, so you kind of have to know someone to get in there. But I've been there, and I know a lot of people that's been there and had weird experiences. I've only been there like the one time a couple months back, and I didn't really have anything going on. But I'm not saying there's nothing that happens there. There's some Yeah, we heard some random noises, but I'm not saying that's paranormal, right, But it's one of those things like I'm not an active investigator, but I have an interest in it. My biggest thing is I'm got some kind of a puss and I just don't want to bring anything home with me. Now, we they I the spirits that we have, the intelligent experience that we have, that I believe we have the nighthouse. I think they're not stuck. They're there because they want to be there, because they love the house, you know, And that's why the two families you know, lived there for so long, the eighty five years with the Knights and sixty five years with the Rogers, because they have a love of this house and the history of the house, and so I think that's why there are still a few of them are still there, and I think some of the others pop in, some of the other members maybe pop in every once in a while and talk to people. But we've had some Most of the teams that have come in have had pretty incredible experiences and interactions. Is there anything else that stands out that you would like to discuss before we wrap the swamp? No. I just think the book is kind of the thing I got going on right now that in Goblin Con. With the book, I kind of wrote it like a reference book. It kind of a throwback to do obled coffee table bathroom book before we had cell phones, you know, to keep our attention in the bathroom, right. Yeah. Because of the table contents, you can jump around from little town to little town in Tennessee. And some of the stories are you can read in thirty seconds. Some of them take five minutes, you know, and so it's something that you can just jump around. You don't have to read it in a linear fashion, you know, from beginning to end, and it's in different sections. So like the very first section, the first fifty pages is the Legends of Tennessee, from Bigfoot to Catzilla, which is a giant catfish, to the wampus cat where we get the term cattywampus from. And then it goes east West Tennessee, Middle Tennessee, and East Tennessee. And there's a it's about probably seventy percent history thirty percent of stories, And so I wanted to write it that way so people can just jump around and enjoy the book whenever they have five minutes to sit down and read it or they have an hour, you know, and and read about some legends and hear some stories of places, not just the hauntings, but also the history of some of these inner places that people don't really know about, even coming from Tennessee. And so I'm going to continue the series. The next one will be small Town Homes Ledges of Kentucky, because there's a Kentucky's interesting, like we've been talking about. Uh, but yeah, I'm a Middle Tennessee and I'll be a Tennessee and uh, the Nighthouse we get asked all the time if we're going to live there. Now, we don't live there. I stay there when we have teams in the house, but other than that, we're not going to live there. It's a historic house and we tend to want to keep it that way with anybody living there. But yeah, the book, If anybody wants to grab a copy of the book, it's available on Amazon right now. It's free on ken On Unlimited if you have kend On Unlimited, but it's available in hardback, aperback Kendall and then kend On ulimited. And I've got some book signings coming up, and one here in my little small town outside Nashville at the public library and April, and then I'll be out at the historic Scott County Jail in East Tennessee in May. You doing a book signing out there at a that's an awesome location, and a couple of my friends own and they're going to carry the book in their gift shop and things. So I'm just kind of pushing the book and we're fixing the get hit Goblin Con really hard here soon and announce all the speakers and a lot of our vendors and things. So get that going and start up, and tickets for Goblin Con go on selling August, but tickets will be ten dollars in advance and then fifteen dollars at the door for each day. And then we'll have VIP passes available that's going to include a VIP dinner, VIP meet and greet, and then also the VIP ticket will include a public ghost Son, not a public ghot Son, but a private ghosign at the Nighthouse that Saturday night, So kind of end the weekend with that. But yeah, and people can go check out Goblin Con at goblin con ky dot com. Sorry, so much stuff in my head. I will definitely be promoting that. I've got a lot of stuff coming up this year too, and I'm actually gonna be in Tennessee on May third, which honestly, I think by the time this airs, it should be right around that timeframe, so it might be a little afterwards or i might have to move things up to but I'll be at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Festival. I'm kind of looking forward to that. That's cool. I will be out that way. The following May seventeenth is when I'll be at scott Kinny of Jail in that week before that, I'll be in Gatlinburg actually, so I'll be out that way in that part of Tennessee. And in the end of Yeah, it's a Goblin conky dot com for the Goblin Con stuff and people can go in there and look. Now there's a lot of stuff about the Kelly Green and the Hobbinsville Goblin and stuff. A couple of videos I made on their teaser videos. And then people noticed in the Nighthouse can go to the nighthouse ky dot com and night spelled Kate n ighd. Whatever links you have, send them to me and I will make sure to include them in the show notes. Okay, yeah, we'll do No. The end of May, I'm actually gonna be in Kentucky. I think is actually not too far from there I'm going to be and I think it's Stanton, Kentucky. Stanton, Kentucky. It's a kind of I think down by Lexington area. But the Red River Gorge Bigfoot Festival. Yeah, so there's that going on there too, So yeah, I've heard about that one. There's a lot of I've looked at. I've got like ten different events this year. So I'm gonna be in Kentucky quite a bit and only in Tennessee once and then Illinois and a couple of India. But this is my first year of actually going to a lot of different events. I've done a couple here and there, but this is my summer and fall of trying to hit all these mins ups. So we'll see what happens. Yeah, I've got a lot of local stuff going on between Hawkinsville and Middle Tennessee. So last year I kind of hit the convention circuit pretty hard and went to a bunch of different ones and had boots and things. But this year kind of select ones. I gotta kind of stick towards home because of all the stuff going on at the Nighthouse. So now I. Don't know if I'm gonna do it very much. I'm just gonna see how this year plays out. But I just wanted to hit some of these events up see how it goes. And being a podcast, it's it's more or less just kind of going out in networking. Yeah, I have some shirts and I have some other things, but I mean there's not really unless someone asked me to be a speaker about certain things, and yeah, I can do some talking. I've done it last year, but it's not really I don't really have a whole lot to go out there and do you. Know what I mean. I'm just kind of sitting there and maybe meet some people, get some new listeners, or see some people that actually listen to the show. I know. I just recently talked. To someone who I met at one of the festivals I that, so we had an interview. Well, it's it's kind of cool to go out there and potentially find someone that actually wants to be on the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did a lot of that with the convintions that I hit up and was part of, and that big thing, I mean, because I did it with my podcast. And the big thing was, you know, the people who are fans of your show like to come out and meet you, and you're in the kind of area closer to them, and that's always fun. And then people like to talk to you, you know, pick your brain about the paranormal, you know, because especially if you have a show that you talk about kind of all the different paranormal stuff, you know, they like to kind of pick your brain. They'll come up. The biggest thing I always give is they come up and say I don't believe in ghosts. But here's my ghost story, you know, the type of thing. So that's pretty interesting to hear other people's stories and then they want to know my opinion, you know what I think. Yeah, the convintion thing is fun. It's not at the top of my to do list. I'd rather have events at the Nighthouse and and things like that and do local events and kind of traveled around. So I'm not much for the traveling part. It's fun, I guess here and there, But the weekend of October, I'm literally doing something every single weekend. Yeah. Yeah, so I look forward to it, but at the same time, I'm kind of like, man, that's a lot of driving. Yeah, September October is always busy, and I look forward to it because I like to be busy, i know, like all the different events and things. But yeah, when it's over, I'm glad. In November, I'm like, I'm not doing anything the whole month in November. I've got christ and Cohn in November and that's the last thing I'm doing. Yeah. Yeah, I'll need a break after Goblin Con at the end of October. So because it's a whole year of planning, so you know, be dealing with that, so I'll be glad to see it. I'll be happy to you know, be there running everything and see all the speakers and stuff. I'll be happy when it's over too, so because I'll be a moderator for the some of the panels and things too, so I'll be up on stage and everybody else and Hopper kind of running the show. I'm definitely looking forward to being there, and I hope it's a great turnout. And for anyone listening, if you're in the area, oruld like to go. I highly recommend it. Come out, stop buying my booth, say hello or flip me the finger, whatever you feel like to do. And here soon on the on the galvin Kin website, we'll have we're working with some of the hotels in Hopkinsville to do some specials for people coming from out of town that want to stay in town. So well, that'll definitely be something I hit up. So I'm pretty sure my wife and I will be coming down. I don't know if I don't know if she'll be attending with me or not. I always plan on her at least coming with me, but sometimes we have kids, so it's hard to leave the kids at home less we can't find a sitter for him. Yeah, that's understandable. It'd be nice to meet you in person too, man. Yeah, looking forward to ye. Well again for anyone listening. How you have a podcast too? Are last? I saw something about it. I don't know if you're still doing your show. I've kind of wound it down. I did it for almost five years and one hundred and seventy guests, and I've kind of it's kind of played out for me. Just it's harder to find guests and things like that, and also my attention is kind of gone in different direction. But all the episodes are still out for people to listen to you. They can still listen to it on Spotify, Apple, anywhere you can find podcasts for music, The Unseen Paranimal podcast. I may spractically be putting out episodes and I may pick it back up in the future. Right now, it's kind of on. It's gonna be on hiatus for a while. Yeah. I get to that point to where I'm almost burnt out. Yeah. Yeah, I have a lot of things scheduled for the next couple of months, but my goal is to try and take at least a month in the summertime off that way, I can just kind of wind down and just have some family time. No time to do this, cause again, I work a full time job and then I'm out here doing like three to four interviews a week. Yeah, and then you have all the editing and everything, like you understand, Like, so there's so much that goes into it, and people just. It's and then advertising media and all that stuff trying to get out there and people listen. Yeah, it's a it's a full time job, you know, it really is. I never thought it was going to be what it's turned into, but it's gotten to the point to where it pays for itself and yeah, it does what it's supposed to do. So I was like, people are listening, that's great. Yeah, well man, it's been a pleasure talking to you. Yeah, thanks for having on bro. Good to talk to you. If you'd like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tells, remember to send an email to Tenfoil Tells podcast at gmail dot com or go to tenfoil Tales dot com and go to the contact section. Make sure to follow me around on all the social medias, and just remember truth comes at a cost. Are you willing to pay the price? 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