Ep. 219: The Secret Origin of Crop Circles

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me. Away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw the top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes as soon as I made eye contact. Thing if don't wake Death, Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host Brandon. Today we were joined by my guest d d. Thanks for being here. That's a pleasure. Brandon, thanks so much. Would you like to let the audience know a little bit about yourself before we get into it. Yeah. I run a substack called it Can't Be People, which addresses events occurring around human made crop circles that really do sort of enter into the paranormal and high strangeness and overlap with uthology. And I've been interviewing circle makers human circle makers over the past eight years and just collating their accounts, which I then put for free on my substack. It'll probably be a book at. This at some stage, but in the meantime it's garnering a lot of interest because people don't really understand about this element of the mystery. Right. Crop circles has been something that's interested me for years, even as a little kid. So this is something that I've been looking forward to talking. To you about. Yeah, that's mutual. Yeah, yeah, I mean we probably started from the same place, mate, because my interest is uthology, and I was brought up in the Golden age of like Jack Vaie and John Keel and Jenny Randalls and John Spencer, all of the seventies and eighties, really great literature. And when we started to see we had UFO casebooks over here where every year you'd have details of sightings relevant throughout the world and throughout Europe and the UK. But then we started to see reports of these crop circles, and in those days they were very very simple, single circle events, or they were just single circles with maybe satellite circles around them that looked like UFO landing gear from the Day of the Earth did still are a B movie. They all look like landed vessels, okay, and the polemic and the reports were reported as such they did look like landed UFOs. And the president was the tually nests from Australia in the seventies that looked like landed UFOs, but that was in grass, because were you having them in crop? Because the crops higher, the ended nations were more pronounced. And then the polemic changed in about nineteen ninety where we saw the now legendary led Zeppelin Remasters cover, which I'm sure you know about, which was more like like a corridor with interlocking circles and forks and door keys. Now, at that point the landed UFO polemic should really have just been obliterated, because no UFO looks like that. But because the imagery and the. Connection between UFOs and crop circles had become so ingrained within the public side key, we have this clunky transition where people said, well, that's not a landed UFO, it's a message from our space brothers instead. If that makes sense to you. Yeah, well, if you would like to dive into what you've researched, I'll turn it over to you and then if I got any questions, I'll ask as we go along. But I try not dinnerrupt people too much. No, really, that's fine. That that's that's I've done loads and loads of these things and that's the best way to do it. I understand. The reason why I have to remain anonymous today is because there's there's there's three reasons. The first reason is that corrupt circle making is illegal in the UK. It's not actually a criminal police matter, but it's a civil suit if the farmer chooses to take you know, action, because it's it's criminal damage no matter no matter how pretty the circle is. It's criminal damage. It's trespassed and it's vandalism. And there's no statute of limitations in this country. So even though I retired from making ten years ago, if I get linked to a circle I could still potentially be in trouble. The second reason is. This isn't about the personalities and the circle makers themselves. It's more about the stories and the anecdotes and the accounts speaking rather than the artist, and we prefer for it not to be about personalities, and we prefer for the art to be speaking. The third reason is this is a highly highly contentious viewpoint or avenue that it's not a viewpoint, it's actually how things are. It's a highly contentious narrative I'll be giving you today, and I have a wonderful life outside of this, and I don't really want that to be encroached upon people that don't really follow what the narrative is. Now. My belief was always in as I said, upology, and when I started to see the these crop circles appearing in the case books, I didn't realize how close Wiltshire because that's where they were appearing. I didn't realize how close Wiltshire was to where I lived in London. And when I did. Realize, I just got in the car and just drove down and started to visit these things. Our sort of bible at the time and still is the Crop Circle Connector website, which tells you where that where the events are, and where the circles are, and I imagine that I'm probably where a lot of your listeners are in that. I always thought that this was some sort of nhi or it was something connected to you, to UFOs, or to military testing, or to Geia or to mother Earth. We didn't for a second consider that they were human made, because the ones that we did see that were human made were normally really wonky and really badly done. And I'll come on to why that is soon. So if I was to go and do a field trip and visit and visit ten circles, if I knew that two of those were man made, I just wouldn't bother, okay. And I held the circle makers in the same contempt that I am sure that some of your listeners will will hold me. And that's fine, okay, because we thought the mystery was deep enough without these pranksters and these hoaxes coming in and just muddy in the waters. I always used the analogy of the magician with the balls under the cups. You know, there's three cups, one ball, and then these idiots come and add another ten cups. So I visited the circles, but the Moro Moro went to visit Wiltshire. I started to hang about where the circles were made, and I used to go to the gift shops and the related places like avery and Stonehenge, all these ancient, you know, really special sites. Started to hear stories from human circle makers, who, as I said, I had complete disdain for. But I started to hear stories of strangeness. I was hearing stories of like time shifts and UAPs and dream driven events, intense intense synchronicities and stuff that was all going around the creative process. And then I was overheard one day saying, I don't care how the circles got there. I'm more concerned about what they do. I the magic that they instill into the land, and the people that you know, report all these wonderful experiences. I was overheard saying that, and a circle maker said to me, look, we've been watching you for a while. We think that you're probably aligned to what we're doing. We started a circle last night, but we didn't finish it. Would you like to come out and do the rest with us? And of course I jumped at it. But I did promise myself that if I didn't encounter any of the paranormal or you know, really odd stuff that I'd been hearing about and reading about, I probably would put it all down to lies and fabrications and people padding their part. And I promised myself. I would never do it again. Now, we went in to finish this circle and nothing happened at all, and I thought, Okay, this is all a bunch of bs. It's just these people, you know, fabricator making themselves look big. They're just hoasters. It's not the real phenomenon. It's just a wasted my time. And we finished the circle, and the second that we finished it, I saw this single like magnesium flare at the end of the field, which looked like an old polaroid flash bowl from one of those old cameras. And I was very paranoid because i'd, as I do now quarest principal job. And I just said to the team leader, I said, people are taking pictures of us. We've had and it was becoming daylight. It was about three fifteen by this point. I said, we've had it. They're taking pictures, but that this is going to go on. I'm going to get a criminal record. That's going to affect my job. And he went, no, don't worry, and I said, what do you mean. He was really blase a because he'd made loads and loads of circles. And then I watched this flash and it kept appearing and then this flash turned into it proliferated into five flashes, then ten, then fifteen, and then it was like thirty of these l like magnesium flares, like UAPs at waste level, which I'd ever seen before in the literature. And it sprinkled itself around the circle from the left and right right round the circle. So we had this proliferation of lights, which I describe in my substack as the biggest necklace in the world. And I said to the team leader, what the hell is that? And he says, look, that's just us being told. It's a little random applause. We're being told that the circle's finished and not to do anything else to it because we might mess it up, like a painting where you do too much. And then he looked up at the sky and he said, okay, we're finished. Now it's yours. It's all yours. What that means is that for as long as we're making a circle, it's ours, but the second we leave it, it doesn't belong to us anymore. And he said, okay, we're going now, thank you very much. And the second is said that these lights just went off, every single one. The whole thing was like someone had switched a light switch, and that's when I became hooked. And then the second time I made a circle, we had a pink uap appeared just as we did the first stump mark, and it appeared for the duration of the circle and then blinked out once it finished. Now that's when I started to become hooked, and I started to make them regularly, and strangeness didn't happen every time brand and I mean every circle would be eventful, something funny might happen or something amusing. But as far as high strangeness, I only had it about forty to fifty percent of the time. But every time I did it was really really odd. And that's the message that I'm trying to put across and trying to say to people. Don't disregard human circles because there is a high strangeness element, especially when they're placed in these very very old ancient Neolithic and Megalithic sites like Stonehenge and Avery, where our four bears have been created like thousands of years before us. Those places that they've been creating on thatt like you mentioned Stone Hinge, those sites obviously meant something to the ancient peoples that built them in the first place, you. Know, absolutely, I mean it goes deeper than that. I mean, I'm not sure how you are aware of how much you are aware of. Yat Vee's work basically says that what we now report as UFOs were being reported as fairy lights in medieval times and religious lights before that. Whatever it is that is here in this area Brandon has existed with us, probably since our inception. And I think that our four bears were far more tapped in to whatever it is that we've now forgotten because of our technocratic age. And I think that we are just. We've just inherited the work of our four bears by mistake. None of this is by design. Whereas where they were building in stone and rock and most things have existed for four thousand, you know, six thousand years. Our things are like temporary temples that only exist for a couple of weeks before they're cut out by the farmer. But it is interesting that when I do collate these strange reports from circle makers, they too tend to dissipate the further that I get away from the key nealithic sites. And I've spoken to Italian artists and French artists, and I've said to them, I'm looking for strange reports by my sub stack in this book, and Brandon, they haven't got anything at all. There's no strangeness at all, which just seems to be related to where our ancient ancestors were doing the same sort of thing thousands and thousands a year ago. I've often wondered when it came to crop circles, because over here in America when I was growing up, everyone said, oh, they're made. People did it, There's not anything about it. You get some of these really in depth looking ones like it. The thought of a person creating them in a matter of a few hours just didn't seem realistic, just because of how intricate the designs were. But I think you guys have them over there in the UK too, very like highly detailed ones. And obviously when someone did it, you're going to have the people to jump on the bandwagons and they go and make their own and everything else. But there are instances over here where they've been found with weird traces of radiation. Yeah, we've Yeah, there's two things to consider there. Firstly, when they started to become more and more intricate, in the nineties, and as the artists got better and better and better and they got onto like the fantastic stuff that was happening from about sort of nineteen ninety two onwards. I always thought, same as you, how the hell can too, because we had this thing of like Doug and Dave, where we had these two old guys that come and confess to the whole thing. You know, there's certain questions I've got about that whole that whole episode. So we had this trope. Then oh, it's a couple of piss blakes coming home from the pub. Now what you've got to consider is that when you see a really bad Crop Circle, okay, it's probably a new team starting out okay, and they haven't got a clue what they're doing. And I always equated to Nirvana, you know, so that Nirvana when they started, they could rehearse in the garage and not be and not be seen for six months and just make as many crap mos as you know, they could be rubbish, but they don't go out and play live until they're ready, whereas with grup circle teams, we don't have that luxury. You know, you're rehearsing from day one. So people are saying, well, that's obviously, you know, a man made circle, because it's really really terribly done. But that same team, when they get better, they'll be making circles that people think aren't made by people two years on. Now, when I made when I went out to do my first one, or help on the first one, you then become aware of I couldn't do it the next day, but I could see how it was done. Okay, So it's this thing where you scale up. You know, I've seen I've been out in fifteen twenty man teams and they've all known what they've all known what. They were doing. Okay, Now, as far as the radiation is concerned, I've tried to diget, I've tried to get I mean, you've got all these, you've got this. A lot of pseudo science is that the research community high behind because the research community don't want you to know that it's people because it goes against the money making narrative. So we have reports of radiation, although we don't know if they've actually measured radiation from outside the formation as well, it could be within the whole field. Okay. When you look at the papers, there's a lot of ambiguity in them. And then you've got the bent not broken. Argument people say when in real corrupt circles the crop is bent not broken because of the weight of the boards. But again that is kind of pseudo science, because when we actually create in the evening, the the crop is very moist, so it does tend to bend rather than break. And when you go into a crop circle the next day, it is like it's like COSI, it's like a crime scene. It's literally a crime scene in that it's criminal damage. But also if you don't get in there before anyone else and you start seeing a load of a load of mess and footsteps and broken stems, what you're seeing there is not the work of the team. You're seeing the work of the all of the one hundred or two hundred people that have been in there before you, that have visited it in that morning. You know. So I hope that answers your question. Yeah, for me, it's just I guess, well you obviously can't answer it, but like why did they start doing it? Yeah? See, this is where this is where I'm quite passionate. This is where the real mystery lies for me, because, as with euthology. You know, you get reports. I'm deeply rooted in euthology, and you know you've. Probably heard about the tendency if people if someone's a believer, they're more likely to see a UFO than if they're not. And it's not misappropriation, and it's not you know, a miss id, it's just it seems to be Brandon. I'm not sure where you are with the phenomenon, but I've studied this for like forty years, and I've gone away as a lot of key euthologiest have. I went away from the extraterrestrial help hypothesis about ten or fifteen years into my studies. I don't think that it's CT. I think that it's something that masquerades as ET and I think it's something that's coexisted with us and has been tracking and metamorphosizing itself based on where we are technology in the forms of technology, and I think it's been with us since our inception. Now, to answer your question, we think that there is something else going on in that we're not circle makers. Human circle makers are not We're not chosen or anointed or special in any way. But it just seems to be that we if a person does have an affinity towards the paranormal and ufology and spiritual things, it just seems to be that we become more aligned with the phenomena and then we attract the phenomena. Okay, so we don't know. We think that those original single circles from the eighties, we think that they a lot of those were mysterious. We don't actually know what they were because the crop was bent upwards at like two or three inches sometimes, which can't be done by a board. But certainly anything sort of post nineteen ninety, which is the pictograms and all the calendar stuff that you like, you know, that's that's arguably all man made. But nobody really knows where where the genesis comes from or where the inspiration comes from. And the bit that I'm interested in is that the fact that people can go and make a crop circle and then somebody else has already been there and made that exact pattern or somebody as happened with me once we went to make a crop circle and it was supposed to be swallows, and then as soon as we got to the field, because you start at ten o'clock, you know, you've got between ten and ten and three o'clock to get it done, because you've got five hours of darkness when we get When we went to the edge of the field, our crop circle leader kind of had a spasm in his car. We went bolt upright and looked straight ahead and said, no, it's spirals now. So I said, well, we can't do spirals. We've been rehearsing swallows all day. He said, no, it's got to be spirals. And then we made us and then we made this crup circle and then literally an identical circle was made that same night, like fourteen miles away. And that's where we start to think why and what else is going on? And then we get dream driven events where I had a situation where I was having this recurring out of body experience dream where I was swooping over two fields in Wiltshire and there were two massive crop circles in these fields, and I was having a dream and this guy that I used to go to school with was in my dream every time. But this guy from school, I hadn't thought of him for forty years. So I'd wake up thinking, God, it's that dream again, And by the way, what's my school friend doing there? And then one day I took a wrong turn when I was in Wiltshire. Now, when you say wrong turn or mistake, that in our world is different, you know, to what most people sort of attributed to it seems to be that wrong moves and mistakes seem to be kind of engineered. So I took this wrong turn, and I found myself looking at these actual two fields that have been recurring in my dream. And I looked to my left and I saw that the name of the road that I turned down was the same name of the road that my schoolfriend lived in when I used to go around his house to play forty years ago. And I thought, well, that's weird, but it spurred me to say, well, you need to do something. So I didn't have the wherewithal or the amount of people to do those two circles. So I decided I was going to do one of them, and I found my partner, I found the team. I said, look, we've got a choice of two. They're completely different. And it was like, all the way through to the field, we couldn't decide what to do. And then in the end I just kind of looked skywalk at it and just let my mind empty and I thought, whichever stump goes down first, that's the circle I'm going to do, and then the next. So we finished one circle and then the next day I got a phone call from my partner in London and she see. She said to me, Crush, you were busy last night. I said, yeah, we got we got one of my circles down from my dream. And she said, well, no you didn't. You got both down. And I said, no, we didn't. We got one down, and she goes, well, you better go online. So in those days it is before Wi Fi, so you had to drive to the nearest place with it with the internet. So I found this internet cafe and I found. An aerial shot and it had my crop circle in one field and then there was this stripe. Now what that stripe was was this massive hill where it was like I couldn't see what was going on the next field because we had this massive hill. So we had my field with my circle, then this stripe, and in the next field, which was obscured from me, my other crop circle was in there. So airily it was exactly as it occurred in my dream. And we didn't know about that team, and they didn't know about us now. I don't know to this day if when all this range stuff occurs, whether it's the spaces filled and we are somehow unconsciously you know, intelepathy with the other team, or if there's something else at play and we're somehow being played. If you see what I mean. Yeah, you think this is kind of hypothetical. You've mentioned there's you believe that there's something with these things from that's been here the whole time, like not ets in general, but from doing my show. I've talked to a lot of people here and a lot of things anymore, especially when it comes to aliens, and it depends on they take it to a religious aspects, and I try to know, I try to avoid that, but they believe these ets are demonic, and then a lot of people think the same things. But if you go back through history, as you mentioned before, for there's a lot of stories, especially through Europe of faithfolk. And if you come over here to America and you talk to the Native Americans, they talked about the spirit realm, the spirits they had their ancestors, and there's also little legends these other like things. I've always said, what if it's all one and the same. We all interpret it differently, but a lot of the things are based off of something that's always been here. I'm one hundred percent on which I'm one hundred percent with you. The only thing that I'd say that throws a spanner in that world, but only a slight small spanner, is that I think that it is down to our interpretation. So whereupon now we will see, you know, abductions with adductions from grays, the faithfolk or sorry, our ancestors in medieval times would call that away with the fairies. So the fairies would take them away, and then they come back changed. They'd be missing time. They come back what they thought was what they think is two days later, but it's years later as far as the locals go. So I am with you one hundred percent. But my one thing that I'd add to that is that what if this whatever it is, this Nhi or this ancient whatever it is, what if it is deliberately projecting itself in a way that we then interpret it as something which is just beyond our capabilities. So if you look at perhaps the airship sightings from the eighteen nineties, which were UFO sightings, which I'm sure you're aware of people were people were reporting those as you know, before airships were a thing. Okay, So it just seems to be that this thing is placing itself just beyond where we are in terms of technological maturity and where we are within our religious mindsets. And I've always been very curious about the fact that it wasn't until nineteen forty seven with the Mount Rainier sighting, and that was just two years after Hiroshima. It seems to be to me and to. A lot of euthologists, that we have somehow through our messing about with nuclear energy and you know, and Hiroshima, and it just seems to be that perhaps we've affected there's been ripples from our time, ripples from our plane, if you like, that have rippled into theirs, and then they have to manifest themselves as a way of sort of trying to control us. I've always thought it was really interesting that Kenneth Arnold did not report fly I repeat, he did not report flying saucers. He reported nine crescent shaped craft which moved as a circle would do if you skip over water. Why Brandon, why did we start seeing flying saucers? That is, you see what I mean? It seems to mold itself based on what we expect to see. Do you understand. I've always thought, after I figured out the Kenneth Arnold thing, and I've interviewed someone else has done a lot of research into that too, that it was almost a way for them to control the narrative, Like they started pushing out flying saucers through the media and everything, but the original version was he saw these crescent moonsheep things, and lying saucer now became cinemas with UFO sidings. Saucers. This is why I think there's some sort of manipulation going on. But it also relates to things outside euthology. I mean, why do we don't why don't we see ectoplasm anymore? You know, you know, why is it? And for and in uthology? Where did the Nordics go from the fifties? Why are we seeing different types of aliens based on as we get progressively progressively more scientific. I think that as you say, I did an interview with a fae podcast a few months ago, is one of the best I've done, and he aligns with everything you just said. It is it's just something which is pre existed with us since our inception and manifests itself based on where we are, and that goes for euthology, It goes for everything. Which we seem to which we see as paranormal. And I see parallels between the corps circles and euthology, which which spread out through the whole paranormal world. We are just kind of especially with the dream, especially with the synchronicitis, that we get where you think, you know, there's some sort of engineering involved where we call it a game of chess, but we're not playing it were the pieces, but we don't know, you know. And the thing with the synchronicit is is you just could not engineer them. And we had a situation where we were going to make a crop circle and it was a team of six and it was like a social event really because we only get to meet each other once a year. So we said, let's get this crop circle down and it was like a celebration of mother Earth that it was going to be brilliant and we'd all worked together before and it was going to We had a social We had a couple of pints at the pub. Didn't get drunk, obviously, you just had a couple of pints over in a couple of hours. You talk about what you're going to be doing in the circle, because you get like the people that measure it out, you get the inexperienced people stomping the stuff down, and then they go into lead their own teams and blah blah blah, they get better and better. And anyway, what happened was there were six people all knew each other, and then one of us got a phone call and he went, oh shit, I've I've just got a text. I've forgotten I'm on another team tonight, I promised myself last year. So we lost him. And then somebody else said, well, you know, I'm on that team as well, so we lost him. So we were down before and then by chance somebody phoned up a friend and said, oh, I'm in the area, and we said, get you to ask down here we needed and basically somebody else left and said, I've got a family mattress. I said, we were one down, and then somebody else came in just by a chance. So, to cut a long story short, the six people that went out were completely different to the six people that were supposed to be there in the first place. Over the course for an hour, the whole thing just changed, okay, like chess pieces. So we had six different people in there. So we were in the car in the suv, and we realized that we didn't know each other, which was crazy because you know, we were just strangers to each other. So it was a bit of an uncomfortable silence. And then one guy said, you know, if my mum knew what we were doing tonight, she'd be absolute. She'd be so proud because she was a spiritualist, and she'd be really into what we're doing. And I said, well, you know, you can bring her down next year, and he went no, because she passed away last year. And then I said, my mom passed the way last year. And then it is like Spartacus. Everybody in the van said the same thing. And then we and then like there's like shiver went through us because we realized that we both had this same loss within like twelve months. And then we realized that we were making a crop circle, which was the celebration of mother Earth. And that's when that's where my bloods, that's where my brain starts to boil. Where you're going, what is going on? Do you understand? Mm hmm? Like the similarities and the synchronicities. Yeah, it just made me start thinking of something and what like when you've made circles, what determines the design you're going to make? That just something that someone says, hey, I want to make this one. Is there a significance as to why, because. Well, if you'd have asked me that. Before I started to make them, I'd have said, well, you know, I've got a different answer now, And that is firstly we've got to consider is one thing. The circle making season is between sort of May and early September. If you're lucky. Now, the first couple of circles and normally made in that horrible cronola canola yellow stuff. It's really hard to bend that. The stems are like broom handles. It's it's and it springs out, and then you start to get the decent stuff. You start to get the barley and the wheat, and that's the stuff that stays down, and that's the stuff that you know, what you see the great circles. So we've got from September until kind of March to work out what we're going to do. So what you think is sometimes your idea, you go to the field, and then and then and then you speak to because the crop circle community isn't as close knit as you think. You know, there's separate teams. But sometimes you'll say, well, we're going to make this circle, and then someone said, well, you've nicked that from sicide because he's doing that this year. And then somebody else has got the same thing. And so the answer to your question is what you think is like an original inspiration. Sometimes it gets back to exactly what we're talking about, where why are three people having the same idea and why is that theme there for that year? And then sometimes what will happen around and you get back to this mistake thing right where you go to make a circle in a particular field and then you can't get to that field because there's a roadblock or there's a flood whatever. And then, as a compromise, because you're all in the car and you go, well, we can't actually arrange to meet for another week or two, we've got to do something. The team leader will say, look, let's just let's just do it here. Okay, let's just do it here instead, And then you find out that that compromised location has a direct significance to the image that you've put in that particular field because it's significant to the dates, or it's significant to something in the area. So again you think what's going on, you know, so you think it's your idea of the time, and then you find out that another three people about the same idea. I've wondered and I don't remember if I read this somewhere, if I watched a show, or I heard it on a different podcast, but someone was hypothesizing that these things are, which I think they were more still on the side of their ets doing it. But these things were supposed to be some sort of ancient sigils or Yeah, they were supposed to be like for rituals for summoning things, but they weren't talking about people doing it. Yeah, if you take that aspect to it, people are doing it. And you just mentioned like multiple people having the same idea. Maybe is connected to it to where you're all making the same thing because it is a situle like a ritual that you're all connected to it. See. I know that your listeners are going to be disappointed to find out that it's humans, Okay, But what I'd say to that is that if you just where I used to think it was et or nature spirits or gaia. When I found out that it was people, I was really really angry and annoyed because I thought, I've wasted ten years of my life studying this, thinking it's et. And I was really angry for about ten minutes because I was down in the area when I found out. When I fact, when the scales fell from my eyes and I realized what was going on, I was annoyed for ten minutes, and then I thought, hold on a minute, if you actually include or put humans in here as a component, all of the other stuff is still there. Okay. So by having the humans in here as just a component of a big, bigger mysterious picture, it actually makes birth UFOs look quite boring. It means the mystery is a thousand times deeper than you think it is. And when we do a circle, what you're saying is true. It is a sigul, But maybe we don't know it is. We just had the idea inverted commas, and then we find out that that particular image is of massive significance to where we've placed it, and we think that the work of our four bears. I'll say it again. We're living in a technocratic age now where we've forgotten everything, everything spiritual and all of this knowledge that our four bears had. We just think that. The circles act as schedules to like reboot the energy that's already there. Okay. And it's like, because we've got we've got the highest concentration of lay lines in Europe in abury, and it just seems to be that they're like jump leads, if you like, they're like batteries. And the reason why we make crop circles look as if they're not man made because people put iron filings in them and they you know, they they'll do everything they can to make it look as if it's not people is because when people think it's people, there's no magic instilled into them. Okay, they need to be seen as being not man made for them to have the effect on people. Now, people say to me, well, in that case, why the hell are you on these shows telling people that it is people? And that's because we've had forty years of this now, okay, and or we've had forty years of pseudoscience. And what we're saying is, if you put us into the equation and you think of as actually instilling schidules into an ancient, already magical area. The mystery is far deeper than you think it is, and there are strong parallels between this and eupology as well. Not to try and connect that into well ancient people have done, but I can't think exactly. I know it's in South America. I think it's maybe prove the Nascal. Lines, the Masca lines. Yeah, now the Nascar lines are. See it depends on how far, how deep you want to go. But I mean, I've heard people say that they are actually portals. And we've got a band in our country called Killing Joke, and they're a band very much drawn by numerology. All their songs are based on, you know, certain mathematical schedules themselves sort of thing. And the singer, Jazz Coleman, actually went and stayed within the abdomen of the spider within the Nasca lines, and he says he's convinced that it's a that that they are portals. So there was strong parallels between the Nasca lines, you know, and what we're doing as well. We think there's a lot of places that are supposedly like very high energy, like there's Sedona, Arizona here in the States that people claim that they go out there and they feel like there's portals there, and then there's other locations. I know, the TV show kind of blows it out of proportion, but there's yeah, they claim there's something to do with that, and there's these high energy areas. So I'm wondering maybe these things are always there and for some reason unknownst to you guys, that you're being drawn in to do these sigils, these crop circles, because that's just something that holds you to it without explaining it other than the fact that like what made them make these big designs in Peru that no one could see unless you're in the air, And back when they made them, no one would have seen them. There shouldn't have been anything in the air. But they were compelled to do something like that. Just same thing with like stone, like all these different megalithic things too, is what caused people. To do that? And I've thought this with pyramids of the time, like why were the ancients across the whole world in China, Egypt, South America they all were building like these pyramids, Like we've yeah, we evolved to build these pyramids, Like the ancient peoples are building these pyramid type structures. But why was it across the whole world? How did they all know to build a pyramid. You'd think some things would be a little different here and there, but for some reason that at the same time frames or whatever, over a couple hundreds of years, they were building similar structures. Yeah, it goes to it also goes towards I mean, I'm not sure how true this is, but I think there's some weight to it. When John Logibad put in the patent for the television, apparently they were already two or three patents pending from people that had the same idea in other parts of the world that hadn't known about each other. So there's that implantation thing. But what you're saying is true. And what when you when you talk about the compulsion thing, Obviously, what were you doing once the circles are down? They only exist for a week or two before the harvested. You know. But sometimes we are some I mean when I started doing them, I mean I'd be pulled. You know, I've got I've got a friend who has like pulled out of bed one like to do something, you know, the compulsion was so strong, and then you get other days where you think, oh, I'm definitely going to do it tonight because I've got a team, and then you don't feel like it, or something happens and somebody has a family disaster, or and then and then go out tomorrow. And then when tomorrow comes, then you feel absolutely drawn and compelled your polls. And then you find out, oh, it had to be done on that date because that date is significant to the fill we put it in, you know. So so yeah, I had a situation. I am see what, see what? The stuff I'm talking about brand is very hard to sort of scientific Lea's sort of measure, you know, because it's all based on the psyche. And I think that that whatever this phenomenon is and in upology is actually deep seated in the human psyche. But where my interest lies is talking to I spoke to a circle maker and he said that he was in bed one night and he had this compulsion, as you say, absolute overwhelming compulsion. At midnight he woke up and he had this He felt as if he'd been shaken awake, and he said, I felt like there was a presence in the room, like not like when you see Poulter gast activity or ghost, he said, But there was there was no apparition. I just had the sense that I wasn't alone, and I had this compulsion to go and make a crop circle. It was midnight and then, but I thought to. Myself, I don't want to I'm snug in bed. There's nowhere i'd i'd less want to be right now than slugging away in the field. But this compulsion did not stop. But he said it wasn't pleasant. He said, it was like when your cat wants feeding and it's not going to stop until you get up and get it food. He said it was there was nothing spiritual about it. It just he said, he had to give in and get up. So he got the kit out of the car and he went and walked towards this field, which was ridiculous because it was like, you know, sort of one in the morning, and like, you know, he's got his boards with him, because you can't rustle up a team at that time of night, you know. And anyway, he said, he went to do this formation. He had this very clear image as to what he wanted to do in his mind, and he said he got bored of walking, so he went to this other field which was similar to the one he was supposed to go to, and he said, the second he got into the field, there was this nausea. He felt sick. He didn't throw up, but it was close to it was really ill. So and then when he come out of the field and sort of went, okay, I'll go to the other field that Nauser stopped. And then when he went to the actual field that he was summoned to, he started to make this circle. And because he was doing it by himself, he actually used tank pads to do the measuring, when normally you have to put a teent peck in a tent peg in the ground and then take the tape out of that to measure to do your measurements. And he said, he got this circle done and it was a little bit beyond his capability, but it was like as soon as he started to make it, he had this energy rush. And that's that's common if you look at the literary. With the literature were circle makers, people get energy rushes. And he said he got the circle done and he pretty much sort of dropped, dropped, dropped, asleep on the spot at about three am. And then the next day he woke up and there was a group of girls freaking out and they were in his circle and they were going mental. They were going to do lally in a really happy way. And he went up and walked up to them, pretending that he just fallen asleep under the tree and he just got there and they said look, look, look. He said, well, it's him. Surfy thought, well, it's quite a good circle, but it's not worth all the all the fuss they're making. And it turns out that they were Pagans Brandon, they were Wickans, and they'd been meditating the previous night on getting this particular schedule down in this field which was next to them, and one of the girls was grappling around her neck and she said, this is it. We were meditating on it. This was what we meditated on. And obviously the sidual was the same thing that he'd had in his mind to do. And that's where that's the bit that I'm interested in, right thinking, what is going on? Is there telepathy between us and other people or is there something else at play? You know? M hm. I just feel like there's some sort of connection with everything, especially with if you look at it from a from outside looking in, you hear the stories of the connections here or just even like throughout the years and everything else, I've always been seen here in the last year or two that I feel like everything somehow is connected. When even with like the paranormal aspects to the UFO aspects. Who when people are recording seeing these cryptid type creatures or whatever, there is something at play. Do you think it's Do you think it's strange that? I mean you you've probably been into into the subject for as long as I have, all right, although I might be a bit older than you. When I was a kid, when I was like, you know, talking to people about UFOs and Kelly Hopkinsville and you know, all all of all of the classic literature and like that, like the Lally Sakuro event. You know, my friendship thought I was mad, you know, they just thought I was. But now they sort of say to me, you know, I think I saw something, or you know, they go, can you actually explain to me a little bit more about it? And it's like people send to me much more receptive to it now, and there's a lot more sightings and citings to contradict what I've said to you before, sightings made by people that aren't believers. I just think there's been an acceleration or a concentration within paranormal activity and people's perception towards it over only maybe just the past ten years. Would you agree with that? I would yes. But isn't that strange in itself? Don't you think? I wonder? And I think I've mentioned this before on a different episode, but maybe it's because it's more mainstream now, it's being more wider accept it. But by also being out there, more people are becoming aware of it. And once you become aware of it, you're more susceptible to having an experience of something. Yeah, I did an interview with them. I did a really nice podcast interview a couple of months ago with the odd Ball people of the odd Bullshop it's called or the Oddity Shop. And what we said there was But because we're talking today about you know, a high strangeness environment, I crop circles being like a theater of the strange. What a tendency that I might have is that is to actually equate strangeness with crop circles because it's within the crop circle environment. Now, that could be a fault on my part because it could be that if you were to make a list of ten weird things that happened to you in the week just going about your daily business, Okay, it could be the same as ten days in the fields. It just seems to be that there are more people experience more in terms of synchronicities. Now, you know, you know, you know the thing about when you you see us you're in the street and then you see somebody and you think, God, I've not seen them for forty years, and then you go, oh, no, it's not them, and then you do see them half an hour later, you know. I think that, Yeah, it's almost like a deja voo type thing. Yeah, where Yeah, I think I think people are connecting the dots more than they used to because there's more of a like you say, it's more mainstream. But a mainstream phenomenon wouldn't necessarily result in genuine sightings, would it. It might, It might. Result in in miss IDs or you know, misattributations, But I don't think a concentration in the mainstream would actually result in genuine sightings. Do you think whatever this is like whatever people experience or see, do you think everyone interprets it differently just to what they are accustomed to see. And I mean this in this sense that say someone said they saw an alien, or someone said they saw a little person like a fayfolk, or someone claims they saw a bigfoot, and all these things have the same instance where they just vanish, even like a ghost apparition, they saw an apparition, it just vanishes. Maybe our minds can only interpret what it's programmed or what they're projecting us to interpret it as like it projects whatever it wants us to think that it is, or we can always see it as a certain aspect of it. There's three things I'd say to that. First one is that I've done a lot of I know we touched it before, but I have done a lot of. Christian based podcasts. Okay, where to them, the interpretation of that that they're convinced that what I'm talking about is demonology and they think that I'm channeling really evil stuff. Okay, but that's from their interpretation. And they're really nice people and I'm not going to fall out with them. You know that They've given me a chance to speak they're really nice people. But the two other things I'd say is that I remember reading in the literature a long time ago that there was a particular sighting and somebody said in the sighting, the aliens or wherever they were, said, would you like we are showing you us in our form now because it won't freak you out? Would you like to see us in our true form? Okay? But the other thing I say is that I've got a friend and she had a ridiculous sighting as a child where she saw a UFO and then she saw like the Mitchellin man, like the Pillsbury dough boy, that this massive inflatable child thing walking towards her. And I said, Jay, that is the closest that your mind can get to processing what you've actually seen, because it's so beyond, you know, beyond anything you can actually mentally envisage. That that's the closest it can get, you know. So again, I think it's something which interacts, interacts with the psyche, which is what Javagga talks about, where it's something which is actually connecting with us on a very prime ordial ego mental level, rather than just this straight nuts some balts black and white phenomenon, you know, mm hm. I just. There's really no definitive answer that I can come up with, and I'm no expert in anything, but I just believe that there's something more out there. And I know that's weird for people to hear in the sense that I don't try and put a religious aspect to it. I don't try and put any sort of paranormal aspect to it. I just feel like there's something and I don't know what it is, but there is something out there that compels me to do what I do. Yeah, it's the same with me. People have said to me, you know, you'll bring a lot of heat on yourself, you bring a lot of blowback on yourself by actually talking about the human the human aspect, and I just feel like I'm sort of kind of like compelled to do it. I've got no skin in the game, there's no I'm not making any money out of it. And then when I do publish the book, I don't expect it. I don't expect it to get rave reviews because obviously it's going against a lot of what the community think. Or say they think. But it just seems to be that there is. Something which has always always been a lot of euthologists are going down this road now they've turned away from the eth and they're saying, is there everything like like you say with the cryptids, bigfoot, long nest, what if it's all the same thing? And it's just a question of our interpretation. But I have to go back and say that I think the interpretation is there is a manipulative aspect to it where it presents itself and metamorphos is based on what it thinks we want to see or expect to see. That's just again that's kind of where I aligned with it too. I mean, a lot of euthologists made a lot of euthologists are the ones that those of us have been in this been in the game for a long long time. We're all going down this path now where we're saying it's not e t h. It's something a little bit. It's not out of space, it's in a space. It's a lot closer to home. And I like what John Keell says about the if you think of the old radio and you've got the needle on the radio, and you know, if you've got the needle slightly to the left, you you'll hear a little voice from another station, you know, if you interpreted that as being our own psyche or our own, our own experience. It just seems to be that sometimes we do hear other channels, you know. And he says that if the if the needle were wider, then we'd see a lot more. Unfortunately, where we are, our spectrum is so tiny of what we experience. It just seems to be that what we call the extraordinary now will just be the ordinary when we find out what's actually going on. And there's no such thing as the supernatural. It's just the natural. And we've had to put the super in it because we hadn't worked out what the other stuff is yet. We don't understand it yet. We don't understand it. I love what j J and Jay Annon Heinek, who's the godfather, you know, together with Jack Vye said when he was doing the when he was doing his studies, even if the uf the UFO problem, and I love the way he calls it a problem as well. He says, if the UFO problem, if the solution was presented to itself, if this, if the solution was presented to us today, black and white, we are not in a position where we'd even understand it. And I think because the phenomenon works on this level, this deep psychological level, and the thing I said about the mother crops circle, it's so advanced, and it's so advanced that when we're not yet in a position within an evolution where we understand it. But I do think that our ancestors were I think they got to the point where we are and become super super, super advanced, and they're they're the key, you know, it's our ancestors, the pyramid builders, everything you're talking about, the Stonehenge builders, the Avery builders, that I think they were far more aware of this stuff than we are. Yeah. I don't know if it's by design that we've been dumb down to it, but I feel like the old generations of people are more in tune to what goes on around the world, and nowadays we're more involved with the technology aspect. It's kind of like we've lost what made as people. Yeah, there's people that brand and there's people saying that we've actually been at this stage before where we are now and further in terms of technology and technocratic you know things, and we've actually just gone back to the earth. We've gone back to the land, and we've gone back. To spirituality, and that's and that's where our there's an argument to say that our four bez you know they've got they've got, that they had the technology to build this stuff is because they were far more technology advanced than we are now, but they chose to apply it to the land and their spirituality instead. Yeah. I know, I've talked with people and they can claim that they can explain how ancient people built things, and I'm not saying that they didn't. I know, the TV show Ancient Aliens wants to put everything that aliens came down here and influenced building of these ancient structures. But yeah, and our crop circles. Yet I don't necessarily agree with all of that, But I don't know. Like I said, I'm not an expert. There's just a lot of weird things out there, and for me personally, I just believe that it's all connected somehow, one way or the other. There's something that's influenced as to where we are today, and there's something that influences people to do what they do, and there's something that influences what people are reported seeing and experiencing I just feel like yeas all one and the same. Yeah, but it's nice that you can If you go in with no preconceptions, then that's the best way to go in, because if you go in and you're tainted with one world view or you've got one agenda or another a gender, you will mold everything towards that. If you go in with a clean mind and a clean slate, that's probably Sometimes it's nice to go in with a place of no knowledge and you might come back come out with more knowledge than somebody that knows a little bit more than you do, If that makes sense. It's a nice place to go in, to go in clean and to go in with no preconceptions. That is one of the things that I've been wanting to do is I try not to do a whole lot of research into certain things, especially if I'm looking into something. I know that sounds like kind of productive. But like you just said, if I was going to go somewhere and investigate an area, I wouldn't want to go in there knowing full well like this is what's supposed to happen here, because then you're expecting it. So, yeah, are you gonna get point because you don't get that experience or are you going to manifest that experience because you think that's what's going to happen, So you manifested two happen. Yeah. The varge I've got is that my missus isn't into any of this. She's not. She's completely stoic, and she's completely doesn't believe anything that I believe. And it's really good to have her as like a nice anchor if you like, if I float too high, she she anchors be down. So it's really nice to be married to something like that. Because where I would look into a situation and think I'll go, you know, you're so deep into it, you're just seeing this, she will look at it objectively and I just a crazy situation. I mean, this is crazy. We had a situation once where a crup circle wanted to come out with me and sorry a novice, A fan wanted to come out. A crop circle fan wanted to come out and make a circle, and I went out with the completely wrong intentions. I went out with the intention just of ego and showing off and saying yeah, I can do it. It was a totally wrong motivation. There was no spirituality involved in it. It was really all about me and me me. It was a terrible decision. And we went out and we made this crop circle. And he was fast. He was a young kid. He was really quick. He learned learnt really quickly. We got the whole thing done about an hour and a half and then at the end he said to me, can I just put my little signature on it, a little flourish at the end? I said, yeah, go for it. You've earned it. You know, you've done a great job tonight. But what he did was he just put this single flourish on the circle, which completely changed the esthetics. So it went from being pleasant and good vibes to something really bad. It looked like a scorpion's table or something like that. It looked really, really bad. And that was a lesson to me. I thought, that's what happens. Anyway. I got home and then I was taking my missus to work one day, and you know, you get those situations where you think, I'm driving really carefully, but I'm going to have a crash because there's a bus coming that way, there's a kid running in the road, somebody's open their car door, there's a bouncy board. It was like being in a video arcade go and I stood to the message I'm going to have a crash in a minute, even though I'm only going fifteen miles an hour. Anyway, I've dropped her off. And sure enough, soon as we dropped her off, this bloke come careering out this driveway, crashed into my windscreen, smashed the windscreen, and I thought. I found the insurance people and they said to me, we can't get there until tomorrow. And I thought, well, I can't leave it because it's like abandoned. And just by chance, I happened to have parked in front of this bloke who did windskin repairs. Anyway, he said I'll get you on the road for one hundred quid, so I said, I'll just do it. But he had those plunges. He had those suckers where you put them on the windscreen and then put them into the into the into the panel. But he was really bad at his job, and he was putting all these suckers wrong. Everything was really bad. And then he put he put the paint in and then I drove off and I was transfixed by I looked at the windscreen and I went, no, you're being stupid, you're reading too much into it. It's not what you think. And then I picked my wife from work and she just got in the car and she is, as I said, completely objective. She doesn't believe in any of this stuff. And she sat in. The car, she's so bolt upright and stared at the wind screen. She goes, what the hell is your crop circle doing on our wind screen? And it was exactly as this guy had done the suckers, And it was exactly with this little scorpion. Tailor as well. And as that really freaked me out. You know that that that was like a lesson as to what happens when you do it for the wrong reasons. You know, weird question. But do you and her ever have a moment where you're thinking something and she will say it like literally, like within a few seconds afterwards. Yeah, of course, of course. But Sheldreck calls that the species feel, doesn't he you know? And this is where this is the only thing I'm not sure about with this subject, with with crop circles. I'm not sure if we are using that you know, dormant link that we don't know about that little telephone line or if this or if our telephone lines are connected to another exchange, you know, and and and the signals being like trying related. So of course I get it. Everybody gets it, you know. Hm. So that happens to me and my wife often, and it's a little creepy every now and then because I'm getting ready to say something and she says, at first, it's just like or reread my mind. Yeah. Yeah, But as I said she, I think in decades, hundreds of years to come, we won't be looking upon this stuff as being will look at these times and call them primitive and say, God, look at look how we were. We thought this was paranormal. It's really normal, you know. I think it's because we are far less advanced than I mean, technologically we're advanced, but I think mentally and spiritually, you know, and in terms of accepting new paradigms and in terms of accepting new ideas, we're cavemen. That's that's my opinion. Well, we've been going on for a little over an hour, so I figure we can get close to wrapping this one up before we do. Is there anything you would like to touch base on? All I'd say, Brandon is thanks for letting me speak today. And also to the people that among your listeners that are tearing your hair out saying you work for CIA or m I five or you're a disinformation, it's not the case. Even if you want to believe that some are done by et whatever. If you next time you look at a crop circle and you get in the mindset that it could be human, just think of it as being the humans are a component. And it's not a hoax. You know, if a crop circles made with intent or somebody's compelled to do it, it's not a hoax. There's something else going on. And if you want to look at my substack, which is it can't be people dot substack dot com. That's free to join, and I update every week or two weeks with a new account from a new crop circle maker that I've spoken to or one of my own experiences, and when I do interview crop Circle because what's happening this is very encouraging, is that I can't use a lot of the stories now because I've got so many and the same themes are recurring again and again. So I'm getting the same stories recurring again and again from new stories, which tells me that you know, I'm We're definitely onto something. And the reason why I call it it can't be people was because that when I walked into my first crop circle, it was extremely complicated. I looked around and thought, it can't be people. But now I know that it is people, but there's something else that can't be people next to it. If that makes sense, No, I totally get it. 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