Tinfoil Talks: Paranormal Portal with Brent Thomas

And I just turned around and I call ass out of there. I was done. I wasn't deal with them. The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my head lights on, it turned and looked at us. And one of the things I remember the most where the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light. It is just circling these steps. Like it is waiting for me. And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's where I saw. The top of the muzzle nose and the eyes. As soon as I made eye contact with this thing. It don't like debt. Like I think. This time to welcome my guest tonight, mister Brent Thomas. Thanks for coming on here and talking to me. Oh thanks for having me man. I'm thrilled to be here and I appreciate the opportunity to come come on your show. Thanks man. Yeah, it's kind of one of those last minute things. I had a couple of guests cancel, I say, a couple like, I guess is the third time I've had this night book. I've had people drop and then someone else kind of on there and they're like, oh, I had to cancel on. So I was like, oh, I've got enough recorded. But it's always I already had this base set up to record. So glad you were able to hop on here to I and talk to me. Yeah. I love doing you know, other people's shows. It's it's kind of easier, you know, when you're doing a show, when you're when it's your shows, as you well know, I mean you you've got a lot of responsibility in that You've got to get everything working. It's got to be recording. You got all these bells and whistles to tend to. But I like being the guest where I just show up and just talk, you know. So this is this is perfect for me, man, I love it. It's weird for me because when I'm a guest on someone else's show, like I have to do all the talking. It seems like, and I'm on my show, I don't do a whole lot of talking because if anyone knows me personally, I'm not a very outgoing or talkative person. Like I'm very calm, demeanored, reserve. I only speak when I feel like I need to. So that is weird. When someone's like, oh, you got to come over and talk, I was like, I don't like talking, like I don't like being a guest on people's shows, Like I just enjoy being listening to people like I'm the observer. I guess, like I sit in the corner and I guess I'm the creep, sit in the corner, just observe people. No, that's perfect, man. I you know, I do think though, that you've got to come over and come on the Paranormal Portal podcast because I'd love to share your story to our listeners. I know you've done a few shows talking about what you experienced, but if you wouldn't mind, Man, you got a quid pro quo here. Yeah, I'll we'll get something set up here in the future. I've got some stuff that I can talk about. Fantastic. Yeah, no, I'm I love doing this stuff. Like I said, you know, the big impedus for me has always been just trying to understand it. I've had a lot of experiences of my own, and so it's really kind of driven me to look for answers. And I don't really pretend that I'm ever going to get this all sorted out. But whatever's going on in this stuff is so profound, it's so powerful. It's transformative to this to the experiencers, like it changes people's lives. You know, how many people have you talked to that are like I haunted and fished and was an outdoors all my life until I saw this thing and then it changed everything, you know, and their whole life has changed, their whole paradigm has changed, and so, you know, I don't know, it might be a real lofty, ambitious goal, but I'm really honestly looking for answers, and I love the opportunity to meet new people in to talk about these ideas and just you know, throw thoughts back and forth, because unfortunately, there are no experts in any of this, but I think we all have ideas and that's really fun to discuss. I just had an interview recently, and for anyone out there listening, you will be the probably episode before this one came out, But I talked with a Vig Kundiff from dog Man Encounters and we kind of had the same conversation. I said, I don't believe there are experts out there. There's a lot of people that say they're an expert, and the first person that calls themselves an expert's the biggest red flag to me, because yes, if you have to call yourself an expert, I don't really think you are. Like if someone else will first to as an expert, because you've done a lot of research, you have a lot of knowledge, and you're you've earned that title right going around patting yourself on the back and calling yourself an expert. So to me, it's just like, eh. Yeah, yeah, like it's you know, I'm I'm the world kickboxing champion. Just ask me. I'll tell you, right, It's like yeah, probably not, probably not, but yeah, I agree. But there are a lot of people out there that are patting themselves on the back and blowing up their own importance, and it's and it's you know, teach his own I mean, if that's what you want to do, I guess you can do that. But I just think I don't know if you're on a if you're on an ego party, it's probably not the right field for you anyway, you know. Yeah, that's don't come into a paranormal cryptid ufo realm and think you're going to be the end all be all, know it all, because yes, there is so much information out there and it's hard to figure out anything. And the truth of it is, this is why I do what I do. I wanted answers, and it's hard pill to swallow to know that I probably will never come to terms of what that answer is because as much as I'm trying to figure out things, I find more questions and answers. Absolutely, you know. And the other problem is in this field, I mean, if we're just talking about these fields of the strange and unusual, whether that's ghosts, whether it's UFOs, whether it's cryptozoology, or strange phenomena, I mean there's there's this reckless this reckless idea is being thrown at the phenomena, and in that if somebody and the other part of it is is that there's somebody will just have to say, well, you know, Bigfoot is actually a mutated garden gnome and they like to live in tunnels under your under your cabbage, and they come up every once in a while and eat kittens or something. Well, there would be a whole bunch of people that would grab right onto that, and it's like, but how can you how can you quantify any of this stuff? And how how come? And so there's this really big phenomena of both just bizarre ideas of this phenomena being thrown out there, but then a lot of people that are just willing to subscribe to any idea without any kind of cognitive process applied to it, you know. And that's I think that that's also kind of a liability to all this, because anybody can say anything and they can say they're an expert like you're saying, and they can say that they absolutely know because they channel Pleadians on the weekends when they're doing crossword puzzles or whatever, and that's what they were told. But there's a whole groups of people out there that will grab onto that and swear it's gospel, you know. So I mean, there's all all kinds of things. And I don't mean to pretend to be an arbiter of truth here, but I think that it's just important to look at this stuff objectively and through the eyes of a skeptic. I think you really have to look at this stuff like a skeptic would and apply logic to it. And granted a lot of it is defies logic anyway. But if you look at, you know, the body of reports that are out there, of people that are experiencing this stuff. After, you know, when you get enough stories, when you get enough explanations or people explaining their experiences, you can start to pick out hallmarks that are consistent and at least those are some kind of benchmark in order to you know, extrapolate maybe patterns, maybe things, a system of events that seem to correlate in a wide body of reports that then maybe we can apply and understand it maybe a little better, Maybe we can help to aim our research efforts at the phenomenon more accurately. You seeing these bodies of reports, you know, you kind of you kind of become like an FBI profiler looking for a serial killer, you know, you look for these patterns, and I think that, you know, the anecdotal reports are valuable, and honestly, that's the only constant we have in any of this stuff is people's experiences and hopefully their willingness to come and discuss it. Because for every story that's told, we stand to learn something new and that makes it valuable. You know, That's just my opinion. I don't know. How do you feel about that? I agree, especially when it comes to people that are They have these experiences and they want to be able to share them. That's the whole concept that I had for this show without really knowing what I was doing or anything about it. Like, but for me, I wanted to give a place to talk to people that had experiences something like what I did, because then, to be honest, it was me wanting to find answers, but I also I want to talk to other people, so I didn't make myself feel so crazy for having these experiences. Because the moment you talk to the average person that hasn't had an experience of anything, what's the first thing that most people are going to do. They're gonna roll their ride and be like, Oho, this guy's crazy over air, like what were you smoking or something? You know, and they just don't believe it. So it's easier to talk to people that can relate. Yes, And by talking to people and listening to people, you can start to piece things together. Yeah, and then you can start to see patterns to stuff and like, well, this has happened to this person, that'sn't happen to those personal This is a similar instance. And that's what I've been doing on my own right here recently, just for recent stuff around my area, because I'm trying to make a documentary and it focuses on all the weird stuff that's around here, because I've had so many people that have talked to me about seeing quote unquote wear wolves wow. And then there's been stories of weird parent ormal stuff through here since far as I can remember, Like even when my mom she grew up around this area, she always heard the same stories. So there's so much local legends around this area that it's a lot of history involved with it. So I've been digging up. I've got interviews set up with people, I've recorded some stuff, We've already filmed some stuff. So it's like there's a lot of things that I've already done, and I just keep digging up more and more stuff. So if everyone is able to talk to someone else and everyone actually is able to listen, like you have a show, I have a show. There's all sorts of podcasts which kind of discusses everythly, Like there's so many podcasts out there. If everyone was able to actually get all that information, you can start to see how similar a lot of this stuff is And does that mean people are just making it up because they heard it on this person's show. No, it just means that there is something going on that people are having similar experiences. Yeah. Yeah, there's a surprising amount of consistency in in you know, in a body of evidence and in a body of reports, you know, And the more people that come forward and tell their story, the more that hopefully we can we can build those patterns and figure out how it's happening, why it's happening, what you know? I mean, you can learn what do people do that that maybe pushes them away? What happens? What did you know? Like, for instance, putting on trail cameras in most cases is like the best way to keep these things away from your house because they don't seem to have any trouble seeing them right and noticing them and and having an idea what they do. So if you're if you're being troubled by some kind of cryptid, hangout trail camps because that is like the anti cryptid for whatever reason. But also what were they doing that brought them in? And in most in most cases, it's it's just being interesting in some way, and it kind of makes sense if these if these things, like just you know, for the cryptids, these things are out in a forest and the and they're from the forest. That's where they live is in a forest, and they've probably seen most everything the forest has to offer. And and then come a bunch of campers, you know, with their colorful things and their their their gadgets and the lights and stuff, and it's like, oh, what's this, And so they come in, you know, they come in and they want to see, they want to understand. So there's this real huge curiosity aspect to them. But you know, more times than not, it's not the people going out there looking hunting for the signs that encounter or have these incredible encounters. It's you know, uh, Pill and his family out on a fishing weekend, you know, just being just being fill in the family and that to that just draws them in. And and so those kind of things obviously emerge through again a body of reports of looking at different aspects of what's going on. You know, maybe it's loud music, maybe it's uh, you know, you got some kind of projector and you're showing a movie to the family out in the woods or or whatever any number of things. But yeah, I think witness testimony really is the holy grail right now to try to at least get a get a basic understanding of the phenomena and to learn more about what triggers these things, what repels them, what do they seem to find interesting, and how can we utilize that then in research efforts, don't go out there, you know, trying to sneak through the woods and find one, you know, eating eating a woodchuck. You just hang out and you'd be you and you pay attention, you know. And so yeah, I think that'll that'll be the biggest tige turner and has been maybe the biggest tide turner and at least throwing new ideas because in a lot of and again going just using cryptid research as a and Bigfoot is specifically a lot of a lot of people are doing the same stuff that they saw on finding Bigfoot. They're gonna go and smack a tree with another stick, and then we're gonna go whoops, and we're gonna holler and make noise and hopefully that'll draw them in. And I mean it's kind of played out right. I don't think these things are stupid. I think they're intelligence and they probably realize that's the stick people do, you. Know, right, I've always thought this, if Bigfoot is smart enough to be as elusive as it has been, mhm. Some. Person's gonna walk out in the woods and pick up a stick and start banging on a tree and start doing a big whoo whatever. Yeah, it's not going to be like hell, look and make a call back because it thinks is one. It's probably already knows you're out there. It's probably looking at you, like look at this idiot. Like that's my opinion. Like I know, my opinion don't matter. I'm a nobe. I don't know anything. But it's like that's how I would see it though, Like I can't see this creature being gonna fall for this. And like, especially like the TV shows that go out there, you have your whole crews of people that are out there doing it, and it's not just finding Bigfoot, like it's I've watched all sorts of shows. Oh sure, and. Like for what I want to do, it's just gonna being another guy and I don't want a big crew or whatever. Like I'm just doing what I'm doing because I think when you go out there with a bunch of people, all you're doing is making more contamination for stuff. You're bringing in more extra noise, You're bringing in more extra bodies for yeah, oh I heard a noise. Well, Jack, guys over here just steps on a stick. So yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, and for all the for all the shots, you know, finding Bigfoot, probably was never going to find Bigfoot, but they did find sponsors, which I guess helped them out. Yeah. But the thing that I loved about that show was and I really think it moved the needle more than any other modern event in just creating the discussion. Like it was a very popular show, and it introduced the concepts to a lot of people out there that were like, oh, maybe there's something to this, And it got people talking, and it also made it more okay for people to talk about it. And I mean, look at pre nineties, you know, you'd never hear people talking about Bigfoot except for the on the extraordinarily rare you know. Well, I mean pre nineties there really wasn't much of an Internet. But like In Search of with Leonard Nimoy in the seventies that was like this one off or modern mysteries or whatever, you know, unsolved mysteries. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, I mean it would be just this hiccup kind of thing that would appear once a while, but following finding Bigfoot, suddenly you know, and not just them, but it was just that the discussion got rolling. Now you can go anywhere in the United States and find bigfoot stickers on the back of trucks, you know, and much like the one on your wall there. I mean, it's just like, yeah, that is such a such a common thing though, and it's always I always think it's really neat because it's like, finally okay for people to to to wave the flag and go, yeah, I like that. I think there's something to do that, you know, and you can see it at a glance just looking at the truck in your grocery store, supermarket parking lot, and it's like, yeah, there's some squatchers out here. That is one of my biggest things that I've wanted to do. And then I I get afraid of doing it because I don't want to be that weirdo. But when I see I see people with big foot stickers, h I want to go and leave, like one of my cards there because they can scan the QR code and go to listen to the podcast. I'm like, I'm going to be the person walking over to someone's vehicle to leave a car and I'm gonna get yelled at. And what do you getting a fight in the Walmart parking lot because they can bother in their vehicle. So I went to a conference last last last when was it last September in Vernal, Utah? And it was it was called Phenomenon And I know the guy that did it, But what he did was he has to show himself. He went on the parking lot and literally canvassed everybody's windshield with his cars cards. And I I went out on the final day and the parking lot is peppered with all these cards. People are like God, And so I think you're right. I don't think that's probably the best approach because I think it irritates people. It's like, God, you're going to shove that crap down my throat. So yeah, I think I think you made the right choice. But I can I can understand what you're saying because you're like, oh, maybe this person would enjoy it. But but I think you start messing with people's stuff and touching their stuff. I would like it if someone did it, amaze, that's why wouldn't do it to them? Exactly. Someone wearing a Bigfoot shirt and I said something to him about Bigfoot and it didn't go into a conversation. It was very like he didn't want to talk. So I was like, okay, so I left. That was the only time I've ever approached somebody. I was like, well, I chanced it and it didn't turn into a conversation. So I was like, I'm not gonna bother with other people anymore. So it was like this, hey, you like you like Bigfoot. Pretty much? That was That was exactly how it went. I was like, you like Bigfoot? Is like I like the shirt. I was like, okay, well good shirt, dude. Exactly. But now that's the other thing is you have to think about it in this aspect too, And I don't think about it sometimes, but like you're going up to a stranger anyways and you mentioned something, even if they did have an experience, they're gonna look at it as the same thing is like what most people look at it when you tell them I had an experience. That little line gonna tell his random person that I like big Foo. They're gonna laugh at me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it is it's generally, I think for most people that have experiences with all of this stuff, it is a very personal thing. I mean, it's not just like, hey, I saw this great show on TV. It was like, no, this happened to me, and it scared the hell out of me, you know, and it changed my life in most often in pretty uncomfortable ways. And it changes their paradigm. And so they may still throw in the bigfoot shirt, but that doesn't mean they're necessarily ready to talk about it. Yeah. I went to I've been to a couple different conventions this past year. I'm signed up for several this year too. And I was at the Indiana Bigfoot Convention. It was like the first one that they had done, and I had a big Foot shirt. I've had some Bigfoot stickers like so. I did decently there as one of the only couple podcasts that were there, and I had done decent with that, and I had a lot of people come up and talk to me. One of my recent episodes was a lady that I met from there. But I had so many people come up and tell me about their stuff, like what happened to them, And I was like, oh, if you ever want to talk, give you my card. I haven't heard from anybody, so I don't know if the stigma is like they want to talk about it when they're in that setting, but when it comes time to be public about it, everyone's still very very hesitant to talk about it. Like they'll come be like, hey, look around. They'll tell me like we've had some weird stuff going on around our place, like oh, and they tell you about it, but then no one else. They don't want anyone else to hear. So there's still that. I get it, like, there's still that weird stigma and at some point to be nice if there wasn't one. But I don't see that happen anytime soon. No, probably not, because you know, the thing is is, I think people are are fiercely defending their paradigms and so so even if somebody does have a have an experience, and it can be these incredibly profound experiences. I mean, I can't tell you how many stories I've run through over the years that start out with I don't believe in ghosts, but and then they'll go into this incredible chain of events where this amazing phenomenon was going on around them, and then at the end it's but I still don't believe in ghosts. But I don't know what that was. It was like it was a ghost. It sounds like me, yeah, right, But I think, you know, people's paradigms are their safe space. That's the world that they understand. And when something comes and challenges that and takes them way out of their comfort zone and puts them in a place that they they don't know, they don't feel comfortable, they don't feel empowered, they feel like they're absolutely the victim of something. Well, you know, they just want to return to that safe space. And then there's the other people that just haven't had an experience and then to challenge their paradigm just verbally like hey, did you know this or this or this like ah, that's bs, that's a bunch of crap, you know, because they just don't want to go there, you know. I And this might make some listeners angry or whatever, because I've already been criticized about this, because. Well, let's do it. What's up? I got some really bad comments left to me because I let people come on here and talk about whatever they want to talk about, and I am very shut off from pushing any sort of religious agenda on people. And because I don't. I have my own stuff, like what I believe in, but I don't push anything on anybody, right, And because I'm apparently shut off from that, I'm out here spreading bad juju around or whatever. But I think like it depends on who you talk to and how they react to certain things. Just because from how I was brought up, a lot of this stuff isn't real. And the religious that I can't like the religion that I came from, Like from what I grew up into, a lot of this stuff just doesn't add up because it doesn't align with what was told in the Bible or anything like that. So for me, that's just the way I grew up, Like all this stuff wasn't real and this and that and like, but now everything and this is where I struggle with a lot of people think everything is demons. It doesn't matter what it could be. Everything is now being pushed as demons and nephalom and everything else. And it's like, sure, what happened to the days when ghosts were ghosts, and Bigfoot was Bigfoot, and aliens came down they abducted people, and like, now everything's like being pushed this way. I was like, if me again being mister tinfoil hat man, I feel like that would be the engenda to throw everyone off from what's really going on. You wanting to push that narrative now, But. Yeah, that's a tough one. I mean, I was on I was on coast to coast, and you know, I did an hour of talking and then an hour of phone calls, and I was, I was. I got a lot of people calling in because I was talking about ghost and investigating, and I got a lot of the Christian people calling in, and some of the regular callers would call. You know that my cousin's regular listener. He's like, man, last time I heard somebody get attacked like that was when they had the Satanist guy on there, you know, And I'm not that, but it's it's tough because to me, religion is a very personal journey. I mean, you can you can be in a body of believers following a certain system, but you're going to still have your individual journey. You're going to have your individual ideas like that. And when I was fielding those calls, it was really tough because how can I substantiate my spirituality against these callers who are calling to challenge what I'm saying. And because the Bible says this or this or this, you know, the story of Saul and all of that, It's like, I can't defend my spirituality against yours because whatever I believe isn't going to fit into your box, but vice versa, what they believe doesn't fit into my box. And this is my personal journey. And and that's the tough part about about religion is that it can be It can be so incredibly judgmental, and it can it can you know, draw these boundaries and lines because that's where these people are with their walk of faith. And I love religion, don't get me wrong. I think that anybody's searching to understand and to apply a divine virtue and to follow the divine in their lives is is wonderful. But I can't substantiate my belief and my faith and my ideas against your spectrum of ideas and beliefs, you know, And so it's a losing battle. It's something that's how do you beat that? How do you do that? And and I'm with you on my shows. I don't get into religion at all. In fact, you know, I say, you know, I don't care what you believe in. If you're a good and virtuous person and you're you know, trying to abide by what you understand is divine divine law or guidance or power to you, it's not up to me. I'm not fit to judge you. I'm not fit to tell you that you shouldn't look at things this way because of this, this and this. But having faith, I think is so important. But it's tough, because yeah, I certainly get those two. It's like, well, you know, I don't know why you're talking about this now. It's a very a very Catholic point of view that there aren't ghosts, you know, and and they are only there are only God, the angels, and then these other things, these the devils or the evens and stuff. And how can I argue against that? How can I say, no, you're wrong. I think there's more stuff. Well, I do, but I can't hope to impress that upon their belief system. Nor do I feel it's my place to you know, it's people have to come to their own understandings, you know, and and so for when you get those, it's tough because how do you do it. I don't know. I still don't know when people all in with that, and I don't want to attack them or just say, well, you're an idiot for believing that, because this is what I believe, and you know, I mean, it's just never going to go well, yeah, I just I keep it out off of my discussions too. Like for me, if people want to judge me because I don't come out here and force like I'm I didn't make this to be Sunday School like this was this was not my thing. And that's what literally I was getting intact about is because I wasn't forcing religion. I was like, well, I never made a religious podcast, Like this is not what my intent was. So if that was what you thought you were joining up to listen to, like, I'm sorry, this is not like my podcast has an E on it for explicit because there's a lot of things that get talked about that are not straight up kid friendly, family friendly, like right, I'm not out here dropping F bombs every left and right, but there's a few times where I might drop an F bomb because you know what it happens like, and that's this is my show, like it. I've had this happen in a few times. Like people ask me, like, what words can I not say because I cuss? I was like, if it's your natural way of speaking, just talk like. I don't like phoning it in. I don't like things that would be unauthentic. Like I want someone to come on here and be themselves. I want them to be comfortable. I want them to be able to talk m H and not worry about certain things. Now I do give them. There are certain words that I don't say, and I won't say them because it'll get me banned on YouTube because it's happened before. But there's certain there's certain words that can't be said. And it's not cuss words, but it's other words that we won't dive into. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I think especially through the pandemic, we all all of us that were presenting videos, you learned to walk that tightrope as best we could. Yeah. Yeah, I got I came up with the poke in the cove. Yeah. I got shut down once because someone made a comment about a certain political figure that was the potential anti Christ and for some reason that got flagged. I was like, what I was like, of all the weird things that get talked about on the show, that was the weird one. So that doesn't make a lot of sense, but you know, yeah, I mean the algorithms. The algorithms are a whole nother chess game that obviously I haven't really cracked either. Well for my YouTube channel or whatever. Like, I know, some people say there's no such thing as shadow banning, but some people say there is shadow banning. I really don't have an idea, but I just know, like it feels like my YouTube channels not exist in half the time. Right. Well, you know, I gotta say there's something. There's something bizarre going on with with YouTube, and I notice it every time I'm about to tick another thousand subscribers. And maybe maybe your listeners aren't interested in this and all, but but I'll get this net positive every day. You know, so many subscribers. My channel's very modest and I only have fourteen thousand, two hundred subscribers on my YouTube, but it's always at a net positive every day, every day until I'm about to tick another thousand, So from fourteen to fifteen, from ten to eleven, whatever is happening in that span of those like last ten subs, it'll go up three, then down five, then up too, then down four, and it's this weird teeter totter thing that doesn't make any sense. And it never happens any other time that I go to a net negative on subscribers until I'm about to tick another thousand, and that to me has to be artificial somehow. And I know that YouTube is always getting rid of a bot account, and god, I don't encourage bot accounts, and I don't have fake subscribers that I know of, but I'm sure they come along for whatever reason, and they happen, and so sometimes you lose some counts, but it always ends up being in that positive like I might gain, you know, thirteen one day and then go down five, where you know, I think, well, you know, it's probably some fake accounts they just blasted and it just happened to they happen to be subscribed to my channel. So but but whatever is happening in that in that ten subscriber window before you tick another thousand, it's absolutely freaking maddening. It just drives me crazy. Can't It can't be coincidence. I noticed on today. I'm a very analytical person as part of what I do for my job, So I'm a number I'm a numbers guy, and I try not to pay attention, but I'm mostcd about it because it's literally what I do every day. So I still pay attention to the numbers and the analytics and stuff. So, like, I'm always looking at things. I noticed that, like I had gained like two people, and then the next day I lost two people. Like kind of what you're saying, Like you gets it's weird, But I don't usually lose a lot on YouTube. I struggle on Apple, which is weird. Like my Spotify. I have like four times as many subscribers on Spotify than I do Apple, and usually it's the other way around. Yeah, that's a big anomaly because everybody I know is always hitting the big numbers on Apple. And then my second is Spotify, which didn't used to be the case, but I've been really promoting my Spotify. Yeah, for some reason, I'm really really bigger on Spotify, like by thousands of subscribers on Spotify that I am compared to Apple. I don't even have a thousand on Apple, but I have like three thousand on Spotify. Well that's crazy. Yeah, I've not heard of that before. Honestly, no one else has either. Like how do you get so popular on Spotify? Is like I have no idea, Like this is somehow happened, like people listen on But those are the only two that I can see. I can see Spotify and I can see Apple. So I don't know what else is out there, who other the platforms or whatever, because right that's just the two that I'm able to actually check. Oh okay, yeah, I mean I've got I get the whole breakdown of every every I think it's every podcast player on Earth, and and a lot of them are really inconsequential, like there'll be like maybe fifty downloads or ten or or something. But you know, on the top on the higher end, it's like, you know, you know, tens of thousands on Apple and then a couple tens of thousands on Spotify and every you know cycle that they that they map and and so Spotify is growing, and I think that's you know, again, I don't know if that's the discussion you want to have on the show. But I find it very interesting, just like you. But I think Spotify is really moving up into in position as far as being a podcast platform that people choose. Yeah, so if anyone's ahead of the curve, if anyone listens to the show, they know that that doesn't always revolve around the weird stuff. Sometimes when I talk with other podcasters, if we talk about stuff that they probably don't give a shit about, but. Well we do. Now just in case other podcasts listen out there too. You never know, you got appeal a little a wide audience. Yeah, that's right, that's right, But. No, it's it's for me. Like I said, I still don't know what I'm doing. I never will tell people, like I don't even tell people I'm a podcaster after I left, Like when I was leaving record man Tony, I went down to Tennessee to record with him in person, and when I was leaving and he's like, how many episodes you got? And I told him, He's like, you're a podcaster. I was like, I don't say. He's like, no, you're a podcast. Just accept it. You're a podcaster now. Yeah, I was like to me. I'm still a metal guy. I'm still doing band stuff. You know, I have'm done banded stuff in almost five years now, but it's it's still there. Like I'm going on three years podcasting. It's I guess I need to come around to the point and just say, yeah, I guess I'm a podcast now. Yeah, well yeah, I mean you are. You are, so I think you embrace it. It's just another aspect of the facets of your diamond. I usually don't release video like I've never actually released a video in like this. I just do a static image video. But I'm honestly thinking about releasing this one. So if you're out there listening on YouTube and you're watching along and this is actually a video, you've just watched the very first video ever released it was in this format. Like featuring me, that's awesome. That's a that's an honor, brother. Thanks. Almost ninety nine percent of my interviews, no one's ever on camera, so oh really, Okay, Like when I interview people, it's usually through zoom, but no one has a camera on, so it's like, Okay, what am I going to release? I just have always done static images, and that's just how I go about because before the hosting platform used to make the videos for me. Oh okay, okay, So they always just. Uploaded the artwork and then they did, but they just stopped doing that recently. So in the last couple of months, I've had to start making my own videos. And I know, I know, other like Matt makes all of his own videos anyways, but I never did because I'm lazy and don't have the time to do it, so I just let it do it automatically, so it's like it's less work for me to do. But since they stopped now I've had to start generating videos. So I've been debating on this year actually doing more live videos like this, because I think that might actually help the channel grow. I think it's great. I think it's you know, one thing I've noticed, and I'm way back logged on my video version of my of my shows for the podcast, but one thing I've noticed is that I think it helps the listeners to connect because they can see us having the discussions even if it's not live. It's just that, I don't know, it just it maybe makes us more real. I don't know, but I've noticed that it definitely helps, especially on Spotify, because that's along with YouTube, Spotify are like the big places to watch video podcasting. So I didn't even realize this. Spotify until recently was doing video. Yeah. I've been uploading some videos over there when I get them done, and the numbers actually go up quite a bit. I think there's quite a few people paying attention to video podcasts, and I think we have Joe Rogan to think for that, right, Yeah, yeah. That is well, this might also be the first Spotify video too. There you go right as well. Yeah, I think it's I think it's great, and it's easy enough to do. Just go to the Spotify back and hit the episodes. If you're a podcaster, you get their creators and and then just the three dots next to it, it'll say upload a video because it'll already be uploaded. If you're on an RSS feed, it'll probably already be there. You just click on the three dots and say upload video and then it's like literally two steps and you're done, so painless. So I don't do a whole lot with video, like I said, I usually just the static image stuff. But this is a new year, so for me, I'm want to try some new things because I set a goal and I don't know who listen again, it's some more podcast talk, So I'm sorry to bore the audience, but like, I don't know anything about how podcasters are rated or charts or how the things go, but like listen notes. Someone told me last year about listening it's like where your podcasts ran globally or whatever, and I was like, okay, So I set a goal that I want to be ranked in like the top one percent. I'm top two and a half percent right now. So I was like, I didn't meet the goal, but I went from top ten percent to top two and a half percent, so I grew according to I don't know how the hell they figure out anything, but so I think your podcast is like a top point five percent or something like that. Like you're like way up there. So it's like, I don't know how they figure out their algorithms. I don't know how they determine any of this stuff. I don't know what it's based off of. I don't even know if you can say throwing a darted a board me like, up, that's what you ranked. I don't know how that works. But they do it on ib iab ratings for downloads and amount of listens and the amount of time listening. You know, there's a lot of metrics that are applied to that. But yeah, I mean if you're in the top five percent, you're doing pretty good. Yeah. So it's on top two right now, top two and a half something like that. But that's awesome, brother, very cool. Again, just for I didn't even start promoting the show until like less than a year ago. Everything was just word of mouth, Like I didn't do social media or anything like that far. Like I had a page, but I never sent friend request to go add my like my page or anything like that. Like I just I still don't like right, I made that separate account that we talked about earlier, and I talked to people on Facebook, but other than that, I don't do any sort of promoting. So I don't know, I'm counterproductive sometimes I guess. Well, I mean life happens though, too, right. I Mean there's some shows out there that have teams of people doing stuff for him, and it's like, well, this guy does the video, this guy does the social media this, you know, And I'm a one man show myself, you know, so I don't have the team of people I just got, you know, the show is doing well enough that I can do this for a living, and that's great. But you know, so I don't have to compete with other aspects other than family. You know, that helps. But yeah, I mean it's it's a labor of love though too right, It's. I've got a wife and four kids from thirteen to three. So oh yeah, that's that's a whole busy place. I only have a nine year old in the house. I got a couple of adult sons, but they're out on their own, so. Yeah, yeah, the kids are all involved in stuff after school stuff. So it's like, right before I got on here to talk with you, I had to go pick up my son from basketball practice. So I get here and I roll back in here I come out here's like, well, it's thirty nine degrees, so I want to put on some warmer clothes. For what is worth. I can't see your breath, So. I got the heaters cranked up, so I'm sure I'm gonna have like another super high bill for like the two hours of being out here. But I'll turn it back down when I go back inside. No, it's a it's a labor of love. It it really is, Like, yeah, I don't have any like set goals, and I know that's like weird, but like for me, like I didn't have any sort of plans or goals to be one hundred percent of hoes. I never even expected to be doing a podcast at this point, like I was just I started off doing it. I talked to a few people when I figured i'd get over it here after a couple of months and like be done with it. But now still going. So I don't know if it's my stubbornness. Yeah maybe, but I you know, I think I think that's the big thing. And and this is more podcast talk, but you know, so again my apolicies to your listeners do but you know, I mean, everybody has the idea of doing a show, but most people give up before they've ever had a chance to even get any traction because I think there's a there's this this idea that I'm going to do a show. So I'm gonna I'm gonna put my name in lights of my show and I'm going to put it out there and people are just going to flock to it, and then I'm going to make a lot of cabbage, you know, And and it just isn't that way and I always tell people, Look, if you're going to get into this, just know that this is a marathon, not a sprint. You know, this isn't a They're they're very very rarely do people just create a show and boom, it's just famous. It happens as these off anomalies here and there, But generally speaking, you've got to be in for the long haul and work at it and then you know, people find you. Yeah, that's that's my thing is I'm trying to figure out how to get people to find everyone's like, oh, you go on other people's shows, and like we talked about earlier, I've been on a lot of shows, but like, I personally don't like doing that. It's again it's counterproductive, but like I don't like all the focus on myself. Like I think that's part of the reason why I don't do camera because I don't want to be on it. I don't I like the mystique of the show of people not knowing. I want people to understand, like it's more mysterious, like you don't see the person, you don't know who the person is. There's more an anonymity to it, so you don't understand, like Yeah, the people are more comfortable because they're not on camera. I think too. Sure that can certainly be the case, and I know, like like for Vic, it's it's been an incredible thing. Like I've had Vic Kanduff on my show a couple of times, and one of the biggest things I get is people email me go, what does he look like? I'm like, I don't know. He was not camera, but everybody's dying to know what Vic looks like. And I didn't even I didn't think about it that the interaction, but like, I didn't think about this, but I should have asked him when I talked to him, Like, I see stuff all the time, and they don't think he's a real person. He's an AI. He's gotta be an AI. That is the That is the one thing that I've seen on Facebook when people like comment about him or I've seen on other things like is vicor real person? Was like, have we got this far into the AI that people don't believe he's a real person because they've never seen. It's just a modulated voice. Yeah no, I mean he's a real guy. Uh, And he's been at this for a long time, but a great guy. I mean, he's a good Uh, it's a great interview. People loved when he was on the shows for sure. Yeah. I've known Vic now for about two years, so he was good to me. So I've got no complaints. He's kind enough to come on the show last night and talk with me. But very cool. I I'll talk to anyone, right, It's yeah, I don't have like it's weird, like the criteria for my show. Like I've had people are written books and they didn't have any experiences, but they wrote some stuff like one of my recent episodes of Lady writes scrypted themed comic books. Oh ok, so I had her on there and I let her promote her stuff or whatever, but she had like very little experience with anything. But I don't know if my audience likes it, but I don't. I actually just said this to the man. I said, I don't understand what I'm supposed to be like because I'm so broad. I can go from conspiracies to aliens, to cryptis to paranormal to whatever. Like the spectrum is so big on my show that I don't know what the audience wants to listen to because literally it could go anywhere. Sure, you know, that's a tough one too, and that's something that's you know, you never know, but I know that from show, and I think a lot of it is because I just had so many closer relationships in my history of doing shows with other cryptid shows like Bigfoot and you know, Sasquatch Chronicles, Bigfoot Odyssey and several along that vein, and so I know that a lot of the people that ended up coming over initially were from the Bigfoot world, and so I know for me to do Bigfoot shows generally is kind of a ringer show for me in a lot of ways because there's such a huge audience that's aware of my show that have come from that background, and of course having Vick on dog Man is a huge one. His episodes have always done extraordinarily well. On the YouTube side more than anything, I think the podcast is more even keeled for having a very diverse audience. But on my YouTube channel, it's definitely a huge cryptid audience that has become part of my world and wonderful people. But I was just looking at the metrics, like how did that episode do? Ooh, that's that one didn't do as well, So maybe not that again. You know. I mean, that's about all we can do is just look at how did it perform versus everything else. Okay, random ones that I've done that I thought were going to be episodes of most people probably wouldn't want to listen to are the ones that typically do the most interesting. I know, isn't that crazy. I've done some shows and be like, I don't know, I don't think that interview went well, and and they'll just be amazing performance wise. You know, just so many people tune in, Oh I love that episode. That was really cool. I can't wait till you have so and so back, and it's like, wow, well that's that went way better than I thought. And it's usually not not any any you know, aspersions at my guests. He usually has more to do with me how I feel like I did during the show, and did I did I facilitate things? And did I do okay? And there's some shows you get done with, like god, I just was an idiot the whole thing, and then get all this wonderful feedback, So okay, more of that. But you're right, you can't always trust your own gut on what's going to work and what's not. The listeners will let you know. I've had episodes that I thought were going to be amazing and. Nope, I gotta tell you that's that surprised the hell out. I mean, actually, Wes told me. He said, you know, you can, you can have celebrities on your show and stuff, but it's really not going to do much. You're going to be surprised. And I was like, So, I had George Noriy on my show, which was really cool. I reached out to him personally and got you know, got in touch with him and he agreed to come on. And I was like, oh man, it's going to be a huge show because I'm interviewing George Norri and this is going to be amazing. Like I'd never heard George interview he's the interview were but I got to make George my interviewee. And he's a wonderful guy. George Nory is a really fantastic guy, and it was just so much fun and it was an honor to interview him. But Wes was right. I mean, I've had Ronnie LeBlanc on Jave, Dave Schrader and Mike Ricksecker and and Amy Brune from like Kindred Spirits, and those episodes have generally done actually underperformed, which I was shocked at. I was like, wow, but there's something to that, like you know, I mean. I had Mike rick Zegger on a couple uh probably about a little over a year ago now, uh huh, and it didn't do very well. I thought it was goun do very good because it was like, well, I know this guy from TV and everything else, and it just didn't track well. I know, and we had a great conversation. I was like, it really cooked my bacon. The things that we you know, got into and discussed and I was like, oh, this is going to be amazing. It's going to be to do so well and and just crickets, you know. It's I mean, it did Okay. I'm not saying any of these shows were absolutely horrible, but I was thinking they were going to be the ones to carry us, you know, to a whole different level. But they were. It was more more of you know, Phil out in the swamp. That's all you know, a dog man and that's the one that blows up. And again it's not a popularity contest, but it's just the listeners will tell you what they want to hear and see. You know, one of my biggest episodes that I have that still continues to track really well was episode thirteen. So over two years ago. It's my thirteenth episode. I'm on like one hundred and I've had a home one hundred and eighty something recorded at this point. That one still gets a lot of plays every day. And it's called Ancient History Ancient Aliens, but that's what we talked about in the episode, So I think because of what it's titled, Yeah, it keeps getting people through the door, through the door, and it's always been big on Spotify, and I think that's why my Spotify numbers have grown that way, because it seems most of those plays for that on Spotify. So I don't know if they labeled me as something on there and it just automatically keeps kicking out. But like, oh okay, for the last two years in a row, that's always been my most popular episode. Is like that was one of my first episodes I ever recorded. It's one of the most popular episodes here. It's like and that was with just another person, Like it wasn't anything super, no famous guy, like I've had these people come on from bigger shows. I've had people come on from TV shows or whatever. Yeah, and it just like doesn't do much right. Yeah, it's it's it's surprising. It really does baffle me because you think, well, you know, they have a celebrity name, they have a celebrity presence, and and that should make people go, oh, well, hey there's that name. I know that name. Let me check out what they're saying. And you know, surprisingly, it just didn't didn't work out that way. But you know again, there were still wonderful interviews, and I know they were enjoyed. It's just in my mind, like I a little more. Yeah, I mean it was gonna be, oh, this is gonna make me washld name I interviewed Georgian, aren't you know? It's just not the way it. Works, right, No, that is I saw my mind worked too like this past year, and I don't want to keep name dropping previous guests, but like I had certain ones on here. I was like, I recognize that person from TV. I recognized I just saw that guy on Netflix, like I ye, And then like the episode comes, I was like, really, it's just like a normal episode. Like I thought I was going to do a little bit better. So it's strange. It's a strange world. You never, Like the other day my numbers were a lot higher than what they normally are, and I was like, well that's cold. And the next day they were lower than what they usually are. It's like, what was going on? Like the fluctuation doesn't make sense. But yeah, that's another weird thing. You know, just in the terms of podcasting, it's like, there's been times where I've taken a few weeks off and still, you know, I get those same weekly spikes around the days when my new episodes would come out, and and and it surprised me. And sometimes when numbers climb, I mean in the charts, you know. I used to look at a site called what the hell was it called? It was chartable Chartable. I was looking at chartable just see out where I was standing, and it was like, well, I haven't done a show in three weeks, and I moved up like five positions. It's like, Wow, maybe maybe my absence is is good. When I was on Tony's show in his episode aired about a month or so ago, I took screenshots because I'd rank so high on the charts from just people coming from his show to come check out my show, so cool, Like I was in that thing and on Apple showed me in like one of the most popular shows and all chartable. I was like ranked like number seven out of natural sciences for like three days straight. I was like, hell yeah, but now I'm back down the way I normally. I was like, I didn't sustain, but I was like, at least for a couple of days, I look popular. Yeah that's awesome. I mean, that's that's huge. Brother. Yeah, it's it's a it's it's a chess match trying to understand this and and I you know, the other thing is is that there's so many different algorithms and they all have different rules, and you're trying to trying to hit it right on all of them, and I just don't know how to do it. I just I'm not sure. But I'm very blessed and thankful that the number of people that do listen to my shows continue to come back and it does grow. And I haven't set any records for you know, this huge audience rush, but I see, you know, I've seen growth, and I'm really really grateful for that, and I really other than social media, I don't advertise anything that I do, so it's it's got to be, you know, a word of mouth. Maybe that Every once in a while I'll catch those lists, Hey, name your top ten paranormal podcasts out there, and I'll learn about new shows that I didn't know are out there, and then I check them out and it's cool. I have a lot of fun doing that too, just to see what other people are doing. But it's always a real real kick in the pants, like wow, when somebody says my show, it's like, oh, hey, so it's very very strange. It's a strange world we're in. Brother. I always try and encourage people to leave ratings. I posted something about that yesterday too, like not just for me, but like any podcast out there that people listen to, like, if you just click five stars, I know that helps the algorithms for some reason. It shows like like it's not like a ranking, but like it triggers something to word. The more that they get it shows that like there's more interaction, more people like it, so they put it out there more discoverable for people. Right. So I try and say that like every episode, like, hey, if you like the show, click five stars, yes, and then I look at the ratings don't move as like, well, I know how many listeners I have, and like, I know what the ratings are, Like there's really no one clicking out button for like one second. But yeah, but that I don't think people understand. I think they just don't really understand how much impact that has on how many people find your shows. And you just think about it, Like in terms of when I'm buying something on Amazon, it's something I can't put my hands on. The first thing I do is run to the reviews, Right, what are people saying about this? People that actually bought it, verified purchasers and stuff, And some of those are a plant, but I mean through the whole body of them. If they've had a few reviews, you can get an idea whether this is crap or if it's worth your investment. And you know the same is true for anything including podcasts. Yeah, that is the one thing, Like I said, I try to push out people. I posted something yesterday about hey, not just my show, Like, if you enjoy listening to podcasts, help them out leave them a five star rating because that does help. But yeah, it really does. When I do an episode, I usually do like a almost like a call to arms at the very beginning, and I think I'm gonna stop doing that this year, so there probably won't be one on this episode. But I don't think people listening if they do, like they just skip forward past it or whatever. But I was actively that was something else to someone complaining to me about that. I need to hurry up, just get right to the content. It's boring. It's like, I'm sorry that it took two minutes to tell you to send me an email. If you don't want to be on the show, send me an email. But you know, what are you doing thinking about stuff like that? Come on entertain me? Right? So I try out the harp on the negatives, but like, that's the things that always stick out the most to me, is like when you get those negative comments. Like yeah, that's tough man. Some people are just absolutely socially challenged, like they just my time is do bad. It's five minutes. I'll ever get back, you know that kind of crap. And it's like, well, you know, sorry, you want me to juggle? Is there more I could do? Because I'm already investing my life and my time, my energy, and my passion into something to try to entertain you, but I'm sorry if it didn't reach your formula of what it should be. And I always I always say this, you know, it's like, look, if you don't think this show is being done the way that you'd want to do a show, then do a show exactly. I'll be happy to even mention your show that you're out there doing it. But you know, don't ever expect that my show is going to become everything you want it to be. This is my show. It's my vision, my passion, my love, and I'm doing the show that I love doing. And if that doesn't match with somebody, then maybe there's there's a gadjillion other examples of shows out there that maybe line up better for what you're looking for. You know, That's exactly what I was telling the people. I said, from now on, like, if you don't like what I'm doing, that's fine, go do your own show, like right, if you have it set in your mind of what you want it to sound, like, what do you want it to be, you can go on and get the same stuff that I have. You don't have to get, but I have, like, and do your own show like It's simple. Yeah, it's it's not building rockets, but it's not necessarily easy too. And there's so much involved in all of this stuff just to do a good show that you know, that you could feel real proud of. And there's a lot of production effort, there's a lot of I mean, god, the scheduling alone is a nightmare. Just figure hearing all that out right, and then getting the time and everything working is another thing. It's like those days when nothing's working. It's like, God, blessed, what the hell is going on? So some days the fate seem against you, but it is. It takes a lot of audio to do these shows, but I you know, again, it's it's something I love doing. So I don't feel like I'm working a day, but I know I'm investing, you know, generally fourteen to sixteen hours a day into this, and you know, hopefully it's all been I mean, it's all been worth it. Anyway. I'm not saying my show has to be you know, huge and enormous, and you know, I'm getting six seven figures a year, but I just want it to be a show that I can be proud of, that people can enjoy listening to, that it maybe adds some value to their time or you know, helps them get through their days or whatever. That to me is awesome and it's a really a special honor when I get those emails like you know, I found your show by accident and I love it and I really appreciate you doing it and thank you, and it's like wow, that just really, I mean, it warms my heart, like you wouldn't believe it then, as you know, I'm sure when you get those messages, it's like, God, that feels good, you know, like it has It isn't just this isn't just a vanity project. You know. It's like, hey, there's Marmie. Come see Marmie. You know. Yeah. So that's the stigma that again that I've had for myself is like I don't put myself out there. So if this is out on the video, like this is the first time I've done it. So I've been doing it for two and a half years at this point, and I've never put out a video other than like doing a live video or something like a live stream. Oh sure, So no one knows what I look like up until that happened, because I'm not trying to plaster my face everywhere because I don't want the attention, so sure, like and again, like you have people that are podcasters and they want that attention, but then you have people like Vic that people don't even know if he's really or not, and it's worked for him, So I don't know. Like I said, it's again, I'm sorry to bore the audience. That's the one to come on here and hear other things. But very rarely do podcasters actually get to converse with other podcasters. So we had that conversation earlier, Like, you don't really get that chance to talk to people unless you're involved in this because no one else can relate to it. So it's kind of one of those things like you're letting me on. You're pulling the veil back a little bit in the sense of what goes on behind the scenes of the podcast world. Yeah, this is what's under the hood, folks, and this is how we talk, you know. I mean, this is what conversations I have with Matt all the time and with Wes and different people. It's just just trying to you know, plot the course and bounce ideas off of each other and also bitched each other. It's just like oh God, you wouldn't believe this. And like we were saying before the show, it's like I can't call my family members and say, oh, you know, God, you wouldn't believe this. The other day I was doing a show and this happened. Can you believe that? They would just be like glazed look at me, Like I can't understand or relate to anything you're saying. But like when I'm talking to you, I know that whatever trials I've had, you've either had similar ones or the same ones, or or even different ones, and maybe we can just kind of it's kind of like a support group, really, right, Yeah, yeah, And it's cool. It's cool to have a community. You know, a lot of people look at what we're doing and to think, oh, we must be so competitive, but I've only found the opposite. I've only found a bunch of people that are like, yeah, let's you know, let's let's talk, let's hang out, let's do things and try ideas together, let's bounce off of each other's shows, and you know, and and it's just been this really amazing community that I've found myself in. And I'm I'm very fortunate. I mean, I really am and now you know, of course adding you to my my map of friends is a really awesome thing. Yeah. I can't say though, I have found the competitive people. Okay, yeah, I'm not going to say it, but like there's there's some people out there that just want to stir the ship pot. And oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. And I have a few names floating through my head now as well as people that I know that are always trying to leverage or put people down it. I don't know these people personally. I've never spoken to them, but somehow I've made it on their shit list. I was like, okay, that's whatever. Well, you know that's maybe a sign of success as well. You know, if you're making the list, then you got to be doing something that got their attention, right. So, like I said, I just do my show. I don't pay attention to the crap that goes on in the communities, and I just do what I do. I'm yeah, I've said it, like I enjoy talking with you, I enjoy talking to Matt, I enjoy talking to everybody. But like I didn't jump into this just to big friends with people Like I come in here searching for something and if I've developed friendships with people that's more than I ever expecting. So right, yeah, yeah, exactly. And and you know, it's just like there's no experts in in podcasting either. I mean maybe there is, you know, technically speaking, and and even like having the winning formula like a Joe Rogan for instance, maybe he could be considered an expert or you know, someone on that level of success. Was already a celebrity though. That helps, That really helps. I remember when he had hair and he was on Fear Factor making people eat Donkey Dong or. Something like the Donkey Dix. It's like, oh, hey, love this show. Yeah yeah, I agree. I mean, yeah, granted he didn't. And that's there's of course, a whole, a whole plethora of those people that are just transferring their celebrity into the podcasting world, isn't it. And it's it's pretty uh, pretty cake for him because they come in with lucrative deals right off the bat, and they got full production arms helping him do it. But yeah, I still take a lot of pride in what we're doing. I get annoyed, and I've only been doing this for a little while, so I get it. I understand that people are annoyed by me for what little success that I feel like I've had. But when I see like this girl hawked tos and like one of the top podcasting people right now, I was like, from what, Like, how the hell does this happen? How did society get this far? This is what people want to talk about. I want to talk to her, see if we. Were hot chicks, maybe that would work out. And I don't mean any any disrespect to women out there, no, but I mean that's the idea. It's like, yeah, that's that's I'm not eye candy. I know that. I know that going in. So people aren't watching me for my looks, and uh, you know. That's why I don't ever do video until today, I thought, don't want to scare them off. Nah, nah, you're a handsome looking guy. I've had. Like I said, there's been a few interviews that I've done videos on, but I've never released. So it's just like if the guest comes on, they want to be on camera, I'll talk to my camera, but I don't ever release the video portion of it because it's like I didn't have to sure, it's an extra step that I didn't want to have to deal with because I'm dealing with so much crap as it is. Well the interview goes well, it's like there's not a whole lot you have to do, you know, if you want to throw a front in a back end on it, like intro outro kind of thing. But if the interview goes smoothie, you could just take it as a chunk, throw it and there it is. Right, That's might be how I roll going on from in the twenty twenty five. Like I said, I want to change things up. I want to see what I can do. I'm never satisfied. I guess that's the thing I should say that everyone that knows me knows that's true. I'm always like, literally, I can do better. I'm never satisfied with myself. Like i always feel like there's a challenge that I have to keep reaching for, Like I might hit this goal. I have a goal, but like that wasn't good enough. I got to keep going. Sure, I don't want to be complacent. So well, I think that, you know, honestly, that's that's one thing that that I've developed a lot through the years of doing this too, is just that we we are entertainers, and we have to continue to evolve because if you're just if you're just doing one kind of show and that's all you do and you don't change things up and you don't try to evolve it, then I think that you know, with all of the competition out there, you're going to lose people over time. It's you may get some attention for a while, but it's not going to be long lasting because you're not developing the idea along with your audience or you know, hopefully they join us on this journey as things change and be evolved. But I've always been very cognitionant of that in that, you know, when I'm doing my my YouTube streams, and again, my YouTube channel's very modest. It's, you know, only fourteen and a half fourteen point two thousand subs, and you know, my views aren't impressive. But I love doing doing it because I can connect with the audience. But I'm constantly trying to develop new ideas for that and for the podcast as well, you know, changing the production levels and changing out songs and trying to create better intros and stuff like that. I think that's all important because if you're stagnant again, you might have some attention for a while, but over time you're gonna lose it because there's too many bright, colorful things around on the interwebs for people to be interested in. I don't understand the YouTube aspect in the sense like they claim you have to continually release something. I release every couple of days, like a new episode, so two episodes a week, and I get less than ten percent of my subscribers viewing a video. Yeah, me too. I mean, like I said, I got fourteen two hundred subs, but most of my videos are at like six hundred views. Yeah, that's to our blocks. But then again, we're kind of moved into a generation of shorts and TikTok you know, where it's like the attention span is about thirty seconds, you know, and that's on the long end, you know, it's ten to thirty seconds, and it's like, oh, they're not entertaining me. Swipe, you know. So it's it's maybe the longer formats are are a lot tougher in that regard. Yeah, I don't, Like I said, I've figured I've watched and I'd creep around on other people's stuff, and it's almost it is like the ten percent, where like hardly anyone has, like if you look at their subscriber count compared to their views, like it's usually less than ten percent of watching the videos. Now, there is the random chance that one video does really well, but then you go back and look at the last couple ones and they didn't do that well. And then I wonder if that one video that does really well is even being checked out by more than ten percent. But maybe you've got some of the l algorithm attention for some reason, and it's you know, a promotion thing, or it's just a good title or thumbnail or something, you know what I mean, something got them through the door. So usually when I go on someone's show, I'll get like a bump the next day or something right, but then I don't know if it ever sustains because and I've talked with Matt about this a lot, Like my numbers have been about the same for over a year now. It doesn't matter where I'm at, Like I'll get like a big bump and then it kind of levels back out, like I don't know what to do. Is like I don't fuck I'm I'm getting growth. I guess like this the follower counts and the subscriber counts are going higher, but the numbers themselves still stay around the scene, right, So it's like. I think a lot of people click subscribe because they maybe they liked what you're doing, or maybe you said subscribe and they went, okay, I'll just do that. But then it's like click and forget it and they go on to you know, fifty thousand other pages. I don't think people track their subscriptions on YouTube at all. It's like they may have long forgotten the Paranormal portal, but they're still listed as a subscriber, which looks good, but it also looks a little funny when you see those channels that have seventy eighty thousand, one hundred thousand subscribers but they get six hundred views. Yeah, PERFECTEO. It's like, wait a minute, this is. Fue I'm on any platform, like, not just YouTube, like any of the podcast stuff too. Like my numbers all pretty much fluctuate around the same. And I don't know, Like I said, I don't know what to do because I'm not getting that growth. Like I get this. The numbers go up as subscribers and listeners and everything else, but like the numbers still equal back out about the same every month. I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. Well, and maybe there's a lot of things on the back end that we just don't understand. I mean, who knows if we're even getting accurate numbers. To be honest with you, I mean, honestly, nobody knows what's going on under the hood with the algorithm on YouTube or Facebook or anywhere Instagram x TikTok. We all we can do is trust this is what they're showing us. Is it accurate? Maybe probably, but maybe not. You know, I know with my hosting service, and I don't want a dog on them because they're my free ossers. But like my analytics don't always match up because I use pod track too. Oh, my contract usually has higher numbers than what my hosting service shows that I have. Well, that's interesting. Do you run ads on your shows? There's the dynamic ads. Okay, yeah, so that's almost concerned. Yeah, that's because you know, they pay they pay a percentage based on you know, downloads and that people are being exposed ads and you get a certain CPM. But if they're not coming the CPM. Right, Yeah, and then my Apple, Like, I can log into my Apple account and I can actually see like my followers and subscribers, and it shows how many times like those episodes have been played on Apple. They do not match the other end. And they claim that because people click play, they've already download U, so it's not considered to download. So I think so, I mean, if someone downloaded it once and they'd listened to the episode again, you're you're not getting that counted for them listening because they've only downloaded it once. And that's all this council is that one download. See that's kind of Shenanigan's too, right, because if they really listen to an episode, they're also re listening to the ads that are being pulled with that, so that's another hit. And and you're right, I've known about that for a while, and that's kind of that's kind of a little bit of a shady thing because if they're being exposed to an ad for five times, let's say they play your episode five times for whatever reason, well you should be you should be, you know, collecting on five impressions. But you're right, it doesn't work that way, does it. So that's how it is across the board, like my my numbers are always different, and like I said, I don't know who's out there's listening. Like before, it was off by a couple thousand. Wow, So I'm going to check that out. You say pod. Track, yep, pod track. I'd like to do a comparison as well. Is that a subscription thing they want you to pay for it. I don't have the payt here, so I don't get all their one hundred percent thing. But it's a third party tracker. You have to include that into your hosting service. There's like a link for like a tracker to thinking put in there. At least on my d I figured it out, but I don't know how it is with your hosting service. Sure, yeah, but I have to look into that. But that sounds really interesting. Yeah, and maybe I don't want to know, you know right now? It literally told me and again it said I had eight thousand listeners in the month of November, and then in the month of December, I had like six thousand and something listeners for the whole month. I was like, but my downloads were about the scene really, so I don't and I don't know what they're considering a listener. They claim it's an individual and like, at least an individual downloaded an episode, so that's how they considered it a listener, right, But if there was that many people listening, so they only listen like one episode, my numbers should have been a lot higher based on that, unless they only listen like one episode and then they didn't like, oh this guy sucks, I'm not listening to that again, I downloaded one episode. So like, that's so I said, somewhere there's something screwy going around. Yeah, that is. That is a little suspicious, but again, who you know, there's probably there probably needs to be like an auditing system built into this that you know, we could see the same metrics they can see, rather than them sorting it out and putting it on a nice page for us. You know. Well, I am mister, I got Timmy behind me the tenfoil hat. So every time I see something that seems shade as like they're probably cheating some money off to the side. Well I thought that too. I mean I've thought that many times. It's like, well, how do we ever know, right, And we wouldn't because we can't look under their hood and see what's going on. They're just you know, we have to trust their integrity and God only knows if that's a valid or not. But it's sort of there's enough going on in those in those aspects that make you go, eh, that's not really good math as far as I can see. That is the other thing that people want to bitch about the most is happen to hear a commercial. Oh you know, why why would we want to get compensated for taking hours of our life and invested in the in these things? And I always say, look, when's the last time you called a plumber and he just came over to snake out your drains for the love of the craft? You know, It's like, no, you're going to pay him. And if somebody paints your house, they're not going to do it because they love painting. They're they're going to want to be compensated. And honestly, doing this stuff is incredibly expensive. That materials, the equipment alone, outside of the time investment is exorbitant if you want to have any quality, right, And it's like, why would I do this and throw a large section of my life into this and just just to keep people entertained, It's like I need to make a living. I need to put food on my table. I need to pay the heating bills and the electricity and the broadband internet that I need to do to do a show, and the fiber actually that I have, And it's like, God, this stuff's not free, so why would we need money. I figured it up to where just to do this. This is including my BARD payment everything, so I know how much I have to have per month. And people are like, oh, you're making all this money, Like I don't make I barely break even, right, It's like the stigma is I come from a metal band, Death Metals, So for me, like we never made money, right, I was like if I broke even then, I'm feel like I'm doing a lot better now than I ever did do in a band, because in the band, like we would drive all over the world and waiting good damn gas money paid to us, Like it's just one of those things. So for doing this, it's like, hey, it took me over a year to get to the point where I even decided to do ADS because I wasn't to me, I didn't care about making the money, like it wasn't about that, but I was spending over one hundred and something dollars a month originally just to do the show. And now that I got this thing that I made a studio, and I've upgraded equipment, and I've got different things, and I keep getting new stuff. I keep upgraded stuff. Like I said, it never stops. It's a constant spending. Yes. Yeah, So I'm sorry that you had to hear a commercial. And I'm sorry that you watched television and have to see commercials because I'm pretty sure that happens too. And I'm sorry you listen to the radio and you hear a random ad, because yeah, that's just society at this point. I don't like them either. But you know what, you have to pay the bills. Yeah, exactly. The stuff isn't free unfortunately, and and you know, I mean, this is what I do for a living, so of course I've got to get some form of compensation for it, because otherwise I'll be like digging through the neighbors trash licking rappers or something. You know, I'm not gonna do that. Sorry, I need to make go to the grocery store. Right, That's like I said, You're never going to please everybody. Oh, and that's my biggest thing is I I understand that, but it still annoys me that people have to say something about it, like, I'm sorry that I've upset the one person in the world that decided that they didn't want to hear a commercial and they don't want to listen to my show anymore, and you're gonna leave me a bad review because you heard a commercial. Yeah, yeah, I've had reviews like that. Oh it's a very commercial heavy. A good show, but very commercial heavy. And it's like, well, yeah, I do two commercials before every show. I have two breaks of two commercials each during the show an hour show, and then there's one ad that place after the show if anybody listens that long, you know. So it's like, yeah, I'm sorry, but you know what am I thinking? I removed a lot of mine and I usually don't have that many. I have like two or three in the front and two or three at the end, and I think I have like a mid break. Yeah, and still complain. I was like, well, this is why I have Patreon. Because of Patreon, you get all the episodes, like all two months worth of episodes that I've already recorded over on Patreon, and they're all ad free and it's only a dollar ninety nine. Just one thing I haven't done that I probably need to. I just plugged myself too, absolutely, brother, But so no, it's like a that's how I do, and that's how I feel justified to my own self that I feel bad when I record people in the episode and come out right away as like it's on Patreon. I mean it's out there, just dollar ninety nine a month, and after Patreon gets their cut, I don't make money off of it, but I feel better about it. It's out there. So yeah, no, I would thought about that, about about doing something like that. And the only thing that I think about, and again this is real podcast world specific, but it's like everybody and the Brother is subscribed out to one hundred things right now. They're subscribed to Netflix Prime, They're a subscribe to you know, maybe a Beer of the Month club or you know, any of the food delivery service that you know, any everybody's got a subscription thing going on. I'm like, well, I do I think that enough people would be interested to become a subscriber and maybe get an extra episode? Maybe some would, but you know, I know, I know, this is just a tough time to try to get people to be willing to do that. It's a tough account to me right now as well, which is is hard for people, like nothing's cheap and every most of us are just trying to get by. So yeah, now I have a free tier and a paid tier, Like I think I only have like sixty something people I think on there, and I think there's like maybe a dozen that actually pay the dollar ninety nine. But okay, I'm just it's. A weird feeling to me that people are paying to want to hear what I have to say, like it's it's just I never thought that would happen, Like I have a Patriot, I'm like, oh, I almost to decribe a PAGEO. I was like, okay, And I've had people like donate like to the show, and I felt really bad about it. I almost wanted to refund the money, like why are you donating to me? Like it's it's just one of those things like and it's just me maybe one of the bad sins, I guess, but like being prideful, like I work for my money, I do my own stuff, like I'm not asking for handouts, and then right, it's just one of it's just one of those things though, Yeah. It is. It's a nice surprise when people do that, and that I think speaks a lot to you know, them being willing to invest in that. And again, it's it's tough because I know there are so many listeners to my show that just aren't in a financial position to do it, and so I don't push that stuff on my show, like, hey, subscribe and if you want to donate, do that, and I try not to because I don't want them, you know. And then when I'm doing live streams and people do the super chat and I do, you know, give them an automated applause and say, oh, thank you so much. That's wonderful. And I know that it probably makes the people that can't do it feel bad, but I'm like, look, you know, everybody, there's lots of ways to support what I'm doing, and not all of it is just monetary. If you if you just like the videos that you check out or like or hit the ratings on the podcast and give us a good review. If you just comment on the YouTube videos, just comment if you're not watching it live, and if you post one of my videos on your on your social media and just say, hey, guys, check this out. There's so many ways to support what we're doing that doesn't require a financial investment, but just to help push us up the algorithm ratings a little that goes a long way as well. So I released a video before we start talking about an hour beforehand, and I just looked at it and it's only been watched fifty one time. So in the last like three hours has been watched fifty one times. That's like, And I've got, according to this eighteen eighty subscribers. So my YouTube isn't big, but that's still like I feel like for the amount of people to subscribe. And then right the other day, I had eighty out of the episodes from a couple of days, I've only got eighty views. I was like, I my advice in that regard is take a look at when when your subscribers are on. And there's that chart in YouTube and you can see when are they online, and try to aim your releases at when people are just getting there. And you can I think you can schedule them through YouTube so you can have it uploaded and ready to go and then it'll just release at a specific time. But try to aim that release when your listeners are most online, because I think even even in cases like that, you know, everybody subscribed to about fifty or more channels through their YouTube journeys, and they're getting notifications oh so and so released all the time. But if you can hit it when they're right there and they're live, they'll see it pop up. I think you'll notice that that engagement increases just by virtue of releasing at a specific time. Everyone keeps telling me to do more on Rumble. So I made a Rumble and I've got something over there, but like I always forget about it, so I don't upload to it. But like there's like I have like maybe twenty people subscribed as like, as long as it's on YouTube, I don't know why I got to go. To Rumble like it too. I've got a bit shoot as well that's supposed to sink to my YouTube, and YouTube used to be able to sync with Rumble or Rumble used to be able to sync with YouTube, but I think YouTube's been threatened by it so that they kind of shut that off. So you've got to do it more manually. That's why I use like a restream when I'm doing live streams and it automatically gets distributed to Rumble. But I've got I've got a presence there too, and I just cracked two hundred subscribers over there. It's it's very, very modest, but I do think it's a growing platform, and I think you know that that's it may end up developing into something. I know there's some huge creators over there doing great numbers, but you know, again, I think that's probably where most of the traffic is, is these are followers of these specific people, and then there's the rest of us going, hey, I'm here. I feel like if I went and down more of the conspiracy realm than said things that were going to get me thrown off the tube a lot, that would be where I'd have to because I feel like that's one of the more popular stuff over there is is things that get propagated. Yeah, and I don't think I don't do a whole lot of political stuff. I don't do a whole lot of the stuff it's tenfoil tells, but we don't do a whole lot of conspiracy type stuff. So sure, I don't feel like I fit really into Rumble. Well yeah, but I mean there's there's a I think a growing community of people involved in the in the supernatural forty and paranormal realms. I think it's there, it's just you know, again getting noticed. I have gone through their catalog and looked at a bunch of other channels that are like mine, and none of them are really you know, blowing out the doors on it. Even bigger YouTube channels have moved over there as well, or at least have a presence there, and they're they're very moderate followings too. I just don't think that's really taken off. But again, what if you could go back ten years before you actually started doing your show and starting doing your show on YouTube right now, you'd probably be sitting on you know, hundreds of thousands of subscribers just because you were before the big rush of you know, millions of channels launching and trying to get attention. So that's what I kind of think of with Rumble. It's like it's still a very new platform. It's still an evolving platform, that's but it's definitely got enough attention now that I think it's going to go the distance. It's just got to grow. Yeah, So with my YouTube, it shows I get like just under one hundred average of new subscribers a month. So yeah, I was like, oh, well, that's a little over a thousand a year. It's like, so maybe in the next thirty years I can I'll have a decent enough following on YouTube. I live long enough, I'm going to be huge. Yeah. My growth is pretty similar to that too, I think right now I'm looking at it. It was like, I went up seventy three subscribers in the last twenty eight days, but there's other months where I'll go like five or six hundred. So yeah, generally speaking, I'm in the one to two hundred range per month. Yeah, I'm not breaking any records, but it's nice to see it's in that positive you know. It shows me ninety seven. Well you're doing better than me, then, Jesus. It's a ninety seven And but I've generated thirty dollars and sixty six for the. Month, and that's you know, honestly for me. The ads that run on on the channel are really just you know, maybe fifty bucks a month or whatever, but where I make most of the little that I make on YouTube, and it's only a couple hundred bucks a month where I make most of it is doing doing live shows and people doing super chats and superstickers and things like that, you know, and that's where it's all coming from. I've only had that happen once, and I was doing a live stream back in the summer. But like I said, for anyone watching, if it shows the screen, it's got the call in number. Now if you try to call, I'm obviously not going to answer because my phone's going to be out here. It's the podcast line, but that is for when I do the live call in show and the plan like you'd called in. We had audio issues when I did that one. But Sunday night at ten pm Eastern time, Someone's like, it's too late. I was like, well, you also have to consider the fact that it's only seven pm Pacific time, right, so ten pm Eastern time. Yet it might be late on the East coast, but it's not super late, but it's not super early on the Pacific side either. So it's like, I feel like that's a decent time to try and do a live stream, and it's on a Sunday night. I don't know if anyone else is doing a live stream on a Sunday night at that time. So so I feel like if this is a live call in show, and everyone you've been on coast to coast, you've to hosted coast to coast, we've all been art bell influence one way or the other. Like for me, the call in aspect is what I really like because I want to be able to like not know who's calling, Like someone calls in what we want to talk about. That whole aspect has always been in reading to me, because I don't know if someone's gonna call in and tell me though they they just seem big foot or whatever they's, someone's gonna call them tell me I'm a dipshit. You don't know what's gonna happen, ye, dealer's choice, all right, So you never know what's about to happen. Like when I opened that line, like the mysteriousness of it to me just intrigues me, like, man, I don't know what's going to happen, but I'm ready to do it. Ye. So you know, I used to do call ins as well, and I thought, just by virtue of having call ins available, man, the phone lines are going to be lit up and there's gonna be so many discussions it'll be great. In fact, that was the concept of my YouTube live streams at first, was I'm gonna do call ins and just talk to people like Art used to do, and like George you know, has on his show as well, and and my god, it was like crickets most of the time, like nobody would call in. I even had live psychic reetings on there, a wonderful lady named Deborah Varner, and it grew over time. But I thought, well, I'm gonna have a psychic on. They can get free readings and people would call in. But when we started it would be like maybe one call a night for a reading, and then it's just so what do you think about the football? Right? That is trying to keep it going. I don't plan on doing it alone like I'm always going to have. My concept was I'm going to have like someone like you would be on for one episode, or I have someone like my friend on for an episode. Like any other podcast. Usually when I do a live stream, I at least have one other podcaster on there for this interaction together, so it's not just me sitting there twiddling my thumb waiting for somebody to call and never does. So yeah, well that helps when you got someone else, just as Tony says, riff off of right, when you got someone there to riff off of? That was Tony and it is right. I mean, it does, It certainly does. When you know, it gets kind of surreal. I do a lot of solo shows on my live streams, and it's fine. I'm good to either way. I can. I can keep a conversation going if I have to, and and keep talking enough to fill the spaces. But it does get kind of weird, like when you're laughing at your own jokes and you're thinking, do I look like a psycho? Now? If I say something funny and it cracks me up, then I look like I'm absolutely lost it. I've lost the farm. But yeah, people, I feel weird when I'm out here recording on my own. I'm not talking anyone, but I'm like recording like a beginning and an intro. When I'm out here talking to myself, Like I feel so weird just talking to myself, like I'm recording it, but like I'm the only one out here, so like I feel like a lunatic out here talking to myself. You know what I've done that that that helps me personally is I learned eye contact and the eye contact and I don't know if you noticed it throughout the course of our interview tonight, but I look into the camera. I look into the camera, and I do that whether I'm doing interviews for the podcast or interviewing somebody from my shows. I just always look at the camera, and that way, it's like I'm still in the same space, like it's not weird, like there's nobody here. I feel like an idiot, you know. I just look at the camera and I talk. And I don't know if that's a good advice or not, but it's what worked for me, because, like you, I was very awkward, like uh, you know, yeah, ghosts, you know, you just you just try to make it seem natural. So I just started looking at the camera. And so now whether I have guests or not, it's still having the same discussion because I still see the camera. I might try that. Like the way this camera's positioned, it's literally like directly at the angle. Yeah, yeah, it's like at the angle where this is that. But like I have a screen over here that for some reason isn't working right now. I don't know what the hell's going on with that. So I've got this screen and then I got the other screen up here, so it's like right in the center screen, but it's like the prime position for me to be able to look directly with the mic here and everything else. So like, yeah, it works. But then my glasses reflect and I hate that. I was like, I need to get lay sig Nelson opt reflecting my glass face. You know, I used to wear glasses ever, and and these are actually more for for far sighted stuff. But I've noticed that the prescription is lighter and I can still read from the screen over here, which is on my on my right, which is where I always put post articles that I'm reading on the live shows and stuff. And I started getting compliments like, oh, should wear those more often, Oh those look great, And then if I didn't have them on, they'd be like, put your glasses on. So and I get the same thing, like, you know, the reflections come through from my ring light light right there, I look like character, but you know, it's whatever. So I've got the green LEDs to go around my desk, and then the reflection from the picture back here. I like that. I like that that mood lighting as well, and along with the border that you have on our screen. I don't know if the viewers will be able to see that, but it just has a cool vibe. It's like it's got that the green look. Yeah, the green has always been my favorite color. So yeah, I've tried to incorporate, Like the hat, it is obviously the same colored green. Got the logo on there, and I came from the band thing. So I've got like the marketing. Scheme, how like the merch Like you get the shirts, you get this, you get that, Like I get all this stuff. But it's like I have a whole box of shirts over here just sitting take them the shows. Like I sold out onto a whole bunch of sizes, Like oh yeah, everyone wanted smalls and mediums. Really was not the sizing that I was expecting. I thought everyone was gonna want like the larger sizes. So like me too, I would have thought the say. I sold out of all my smalls and mediums before I sold out of anything else. So I ordered a shitload of extra large and a bunch of two X, and I did some three X and even a couple of four X, and then I did it a couple large and then like maybe ten mediums, ten small. I didn't like a huge batch, but like I did like a bunch more of the bigger sizes, and those were the ones. I still have a bunch of all the small So I did go and do another replenage of like smalls and mediums because those are the ones, and they are more so ladies that were buying them. So it kind of made sense as to why. But yeah, I suppose that would be right. Yeah, I always think it's going to be some big, beefy guy, you know, especially when you get into the cryptid stuff. I mean, some of those boys are big boys that go out there looking for squatch and are interested in it. So I'm a pretty big guy myself, Like I'm almost six foot four and like two twenty so large large guy myself. So I have to wear two axious because otherwise it looks like the shirt shrunk and. Doesn't have to it's because of my belly. But you know, either. Way, I started to get the belly. It's a family genetics. It's it happens. Once they hit thirty, it started to cut out. I was like, oh, he started to gut out. Yeah, I love it. I traded the six pack in for a pony cag and now I've got the full on keg. That's awesome. Yeah. I hope the audience out there actually listening to this realizes that I do have a personality. That was one of the last comments that I've got that it stuck with me. It's like, your show would be a lot better if you had a personality. I was like, I have a personality. You just don't see it because we're talking about things that one of those who laugh. Right, yeah, yeah, and then it tore out my tent. Oh really no, that's not the way you go. Yeah. So yeah, But we've been going on for about two hours and I figured we'd probably wrap this one up. But before we do, I want you to let everyone know where they can find you. Probably the best place to find me is to go to Paranormalportal dot net. That's my web page, my website, and you are welcome to check it out. You learn about the YouTube. I do two very different shows. I do a podcast which we've been discussing a lot, and a YouTube stream which we discuss a lot. Those are two very different shows, though the podcasts are all very much interview based. I do some where I just talk about phenomenon stuff, but mostly I'm hosting experiencers, researchers, authors, or personalities in the fields, and it's generally forty five minutes to an hour. But I do also do the YouTube Rumble Feed, and that is two hour live streams where it's more of a more of a variety show, so I discuss several different topics throughout the two hours. We might hit will hit ghost, UFOs and cryptids regularly on every episode, and it's more of a lighthearted take on a lot of it. Not that I take the material light of course, I'm very serious about that, but just the atmosphere is a lot more fun and playful and we have a good time with that. So that's the best way to find me is paranormal Portal dot net. And if any of you out there would like to come on my show as well, please feel free. On the Paranormal Portal dot net. There's a button on the top half of the page and it says interview me. If you click that, it launches my scheduling app and you can pick from days and times that I've outlined four interviews and pick what works for you and it'll email both of us and it'll automatically be added to my calendar. So that's great because I tried to do the note pad and paper and post it notes and I ended up dropping the ball a whole bunch. So it's like I need help, So the app does it for me. Say, I've thought about that, but I still have the old calendar over here on this side and just write it down. I get it them a zoom app. I send them links or whatever, so I have it on multiple things. But no, definitely, anyone out there listening, make sure to check out Brin's show. Make sure to get a hold of you brand. It's been a pleasure. It's been awesome, brother, thanks again for having me on. And I really enjoyed. I enjoyed this discussion, not because I think what I enjoyed most about it was it was, like you said, it's like a look underneath the hood of what we do, and I hope people find that interesting. Obviously I don't discuss this kind of stuff often, but I enjoy talking about it, and you were able to listen to both of us just you know, talk about our experiences. So thanks man. It was a blast. I really enjoyed talking to you, getting to know you, and I want to get you on the portal, so we'll have to talk. Yeah, we'll get something figured out, but we're going to wrap this one up. So thanks to Brent, thanks for listening, and we'll check you on the next one. 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